No MPs ask Min Khaw to show why taxes can't cover med costs

Doubletalk SG

Originally posted by oxford mushroom:

Seems that you have bigger problems than just dyslexia...failed your PSLE English Comprehension did you? Yes, 60% do not pay any income tax and yes, they pay GST like the 40% of income tax payers who pay both GST and income tax. Go back to school, kiddie

Well, you do have piles, quoting you tis the best comprehensive exercise of showing up your apparent snakiness, BTW, I flunked my PSLE real time and with dyslexia so conveniently insinuated by your qualifications you doeth stand smarter, erh? Good for you!!! Laughing

Doubletalk SG

Originally posted by onlooker123:
On the issue of how many people pay Income Tax, the information is all public.

Go to the taxman's website at www.iras.gov.sg and look up the appendices of their annual reports.

http://www.iras.gov.sg/ESVPortal/resources/appendices.pdf

I believe appendix 5 is the report that addresses this point.

In the Annual Report 2006/07, total number of resident taxpayers was 745,071.

Note: Total No. of People Paying Income Tax

reddressman SG

is it ??? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

cannot de be wan leh wat de meh?

I think at least a few out of the 80 odd membre if porlimon voiced concern about the pay hike right? no meh ? there you go, the reps of the peeper.

you derserve it.

you ausked for it.

these peeper are one of them.
REN ZI CU, XING BEN SHAN?

Money if its not everything in life, what is? I ask becos i no no. This is not a statement. It is a question and a doubt. Life examples prove what is humanity. in times of crisis, who will fight? I think all lah, to sound fair. But then I was asking.

congratulations.

onlooker123 SG

So we are talking about all forms of taxation or just income tax?

Of course everybody pays taxes lah.

Just that most people don't pay income tax.

Everybody pays GST what.

Meat Pao SG

So...I dont understand one thing...means testing is bad...? So medical subsidy should be given to everyone regardless of their financial abilities..? Because there are surplus and taxes which can cover them anyway...? So, you are saying, as long as there are surplus and taxes, the state should give subsidies and spend them all, dont bother to make them more efficient and targetted..?

Do you know this is what you are practically saying...?

Meat Pao.

onlooker123 SG

Taxation for HDB flats?.... interesting point raised. No doubt some form of tax or fee is incorporated in the selling price of HDB flat.

I only can sit and watch with green envy those original owners of Queenstown flats. The one that made the news? Sold for $890K? Bought for about 300K? That's like $600K profit. Capital gains no tax.

robertteh SG

Which is the bigger problems or issues - government over-taxing the people and stinging as usual to provide basic services to the people or medical cares out such taxes or people abusing medical facilities that minister Khaw must introduce means test to prevent abuses.

Just look at the overall tax revenues collected by the government and the surpluses it is hoarding year after year.

Does it look like people are abusing medical care or is it a case of our having a penny-pinching government that monies are alway not enough that there must be more attempts and more schemes of all sorts to enrich the state coffers and their own ministers' fattening pay packages.

Going by the total tax revenues of some S$6 billion per year including monies made from lands and assets already owned by the people through its many GLCs, it does not look to me like the government is subsidizing the Class "C" wards as claimed.

The minister seems to be telling untruths somewhere just like Minister Mah is telling untruths in claiming that HDB flats are subsidized.

Let us be fair and let the minister come up with full facts to tell us whether the total taxes collected has fallen short of the medical costs for class "C" wards.

We are waiting for Minister's Khaw to give us true facts before introduction of the means test at the end of the year.

robertteh SG

Let us look at it objectively like an accountant. If a government acquires lands for public housing at cheap prices like S$0.10 per square foot under the Land Acquisition Act for public housing how much is the land cost paid by HDB for every unit of 3-room or 4-room flat. Did HDB pay for such land costs with its own monies?

Is the government not elected to look after the citizens including providing basic low-cost housing, etc, If so with lands acquired at such low costs or near-zero costs for public housing is it morally or legally right for the government to sell the HDB flats to the people at market price or near market price.

If people make monies from the HDB flats is it wrong to do so?

Isn't taxes used for construction of low cost housing for the people precisely people's own monies and investments and assets and if people benefit from the provision of low-cost housing selling such flats at double or triple the original price any mistakes?

Why must any government be jealous or envious of its own people making monies from its own lands and assets.

ms_ok SG

hey, becareful of ur speech. this person may be our next PM

robertteh SG

In the latest statement on TV tonight, Minister Khaw started to say that he has to introduce Means Test to stretch the tax dollar to avoid abuse and spread out subsidy to families that need it most.

He appears to have a change of heart about his early statement that means test was needed to prevent abuse. He did not show whether means test was needed because the original tax allocated for medical services (said to be 8% of total tax i.e. $6 bil all-in inclusive of land sale profits and capital gains and surplus incomes) has been exceeded due to such presumed abuses by rich patients.

So it appears that he must have only now realized that he should revealed whether original tax allocations for medical services (8% of $6 bil) have been exceeded by abuses of class "C" patients.

So he now has to issue daily statements and addendum to his earlier statements to make it look like the means test is now needed for more reasons like helping to stretch the medical tax allocations to benefit more people.

If original tax allocated at 8% is not exceeded why is it necessary or imperative to deprive tax payers of some deserving basic medical service for which people are paying tax rich or poor. Why cook up the abuse excuse or spreading of tax excuse to come up with another scheme which consequence might be more hoarding of taxes and less service to the citizens.

Citizens now are confused reading such reasons for introducing means tests.

They will never know whether means test was necessary because original tax allocations for medical services was not enough or is it enough but he only wanted to add values and stretch the medical allocations or prevent running out of allocated budgets.

caleb_chiang SG

IN another word...

Tax is for gahmen's salaries...

We are on our own...

If it's for the good of people, why they build new things, we must pay?

Upgrade HDB must pay.
Road tax and etc is to pay for the new roads but every year got use so much money for roads meh?
Upgrade market also need hawkers to pay.
Temporary market also need hawkers to pay.
Everything on the rise and need to pay...

WTF... Rolling Eyes

royston_ang SG

Next PM? But his surname is Khaw... oops... Laughing

dragon_stone SG

and all the talk about getting citizens to feedback... Rolling Eyes

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