Saudi king 'pardons rape victim'

last SG · 2007-12-18T05:17:43+00:00

you're not chinese? what are you then?

fymk SG

However she is a woman and she made it up there into the top position right?

Spartans SG

Yup she is a woman, commonly known as the "Iron Man" by ordinary Singaporeans. Laughing

She made it to the top position by the influence of her father-in-law. She was just an army Master Sgt before she married LHL. So on what basis do you think you can make it top the top of Temasek Holding, an investment company?

fymk SG

Originally posted by protonhybrid:
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well what about singapore? what happens to foreign maids who get raped duped abused and not paid for months in singapore? and also i did mention the case of medical malpractice, the law, the doctors, the hospitals, the media/govt (IF they get involved, not likely) ALL favour the doctors and disfavours the FOREIGNER (of nonchinese, nonanglo background) victim. why is that? what can the victim do to PROVE that he's being wronged and to acquire compensation for it?

Again I shall ask you for proof that that happened. That Singapore ignores a crime of rape and abuse because I will be very surprised.

Do you have proof of all the above said medical malpractice case?

If you have documentation or witnesses, you can sue.

You keep dragging in an anglo argument when you presented zit zilch on your so called medical malpractice case.

Where are you from?

You bring no proof of medical malpractice - you NEVER once mentioned the details at all . You just skirted around the topic when asked.

fymk SG

Yah but can she do it in Saudi Arabia? Sure cannot because not man mah.

protonhybrid SG

vaguely worded comments. this is the 21st century CE, for chinese this is 6th millenia i presume, for jews likewise, greater for persians i presume, so on and so forth, your point being?

i doubt you have a point.

protonhybrid SG

would you say democracy is suspect too? since it originated before christ. same with civilization. i guess you would Very Happy

protonhybrid SG

I am pretty sure that in Africa , some tribes go topless with women.

I like the idea of wearing clothes, it gets pretty cold you know?

quite sad that you can't argue logically when you see i foiled your fake arguments eh? what about men then? dont say they have hair cover as chinese men normally dont.

It is all about choices. Still the woman has a choice to go to a nude beach and air her wares .

It is also about convenience - I don't think the law wants to deal with complaints of molestation if a guy accidentally brushes against a naked woman especially in a CROWDED PLACE.

It is easier for them to keep an eye on a designated location than everywhere else.

If you are yearning to see naked women to serve your sick fanatasies - go buy playboy.

IF it's all about choices, then so be it with saudis or elsewhere too. why the hypocrisy and double standards? you did say you will impose your will on the world IF you had your way with it.

the same excuses that you make can be made in saudi case.

AndrewPKYap SG

... too stupid to understand the difference between "suspect" and "wrong" or "undesirable"?

Many simply cling on to ancient beliefs without thought, like in this case...

If it is suspect, then you re-consider it to see if it makes sense...

... based on what you have written so far... it seems obvious that you do not know how to think and you simply sprout whatever comes to your small mind...

protonhybrid SG

Don't you yourself like to compare USA/UK/western countries as oppressors of culture? Well this is one where the muslim boys choose to use their religion as a defence and excuse to rape a caucasian girl because of her dressing ( if I am not wrong).Feel free to look up the case.

well i dont exactly follow this paragraph but i get the gist of it. what i dont get is how exactly is it relevant to saudi arabia or the king's pardon of the victim?

protonhybrid SG

again it seems you've problem with understanding re-read the posts i made. nowhere did i say what should or should not be allowed in other places, i asked what you think about netherlands' and singapore 's laws and positions on drug abuse, prostitution etc.

also who the heck talked about migration? you're being even more facetious now.

protonhybrid SG

anyway enough for me for now. i hope to return a few days later i hope. i will see if i can make it tomorrow, if not maybe a few days later (a week later maximum i HOPE)
bye for now

AndrewPKYap SG

... and good riddance... Mr. Green

Gazelle SG

Geraldine, do you think Saudis have the right to call Singaporeans women wearing mini skirt as slu.t bi.tches or w.hore?

oxford mushroom SG

They have no right to do that if Singaporean women wear them in Singapore, but every right to do so if they choose to go against Saudi customs and laws in Saudi Arabia.

LatecomerX SG

Well, I don't think it makes much difference, whether it is a family, or a country - it is only a matter of boundaries. Even between families, each can hold values and a culture which deviate from the norm and differ from each other completely. The focus here is how one would react as a bystander of an incident where one party is being treated unfairly by the other.

And to your question, Saudi doesn't have the rights to tell us all those ideas you have mentioned, just like Singapore doesn't need to teach them how to behave. But neither does the Arab men have the rights to tell the Arab women what to do and not do and deny their rights that every human deserve.

LatecomerX SG

Well, firstly, if you believe that this is a "moot topic" and there's nothing "right wrong fair unfair" about it, why do you say such statements in your very first few posts here?

I don't need to insinuate the fact that I know what is right and what is wrong to anyone here. I can tell you directly right now, I know. But it's not just me, everyone knows. Does it comes as a surprise to you that a human should be able to tell what is right and wrong?

There can be situations where inaction is possibly better than action, but it all depends on the cause. In the case where the girl was abused by her father, I would say that the cause to take action and end the unfair treatment is to save her from a suffering which she as a human doesn't deserve. So what's your cause for inaction?

If you find that how she has been treated is just, I would like to know whether you will be able to walk towards the cruelly tortured girl, covered in bruises all over her body from repeated assails, kneel down and stare straight into her hazel eyes, where you can see her broken soul is begging for help and mercy, telling her calmly "You deserve the punishment. This is fair and right".

And may I know why are you bringing in unrelated topics into the discussion and evading the main one at hand? For instance, what does Singapore's take on marijuana has to do with women lashed for meeting a male stranger? I have been noticing your arguments versus fymk's. There were many times when she brought up a strong and valid point. But on several occasions, you ignore hers and throw in an issue that is totally unconnected to the current topic. I begin to wonder whether your ignorance is authentic or on purpose? If not, where are the answers I have asked for in my previous post to you?

Nowhere in this world has its entire population decides the rules for themselves - where one part of the population is denying the rights of another to do so. Even if the people are given the rights and don't set the rules themselves, they appoint a group of people to do so on their behalf. You call them the government. But no, I doubt the Arab females had requested for or agreed to the establishment of a law to whip them if they meet up with a male acquaintance.

Singaporeans under the age of 21 are not involved in voting events and other administrative matters that concern their lives and their country. But 21 years later, will this group of people be given the opportunity to do so? A resounding "Yes", of course. But how long do the Arab women have to wait before having the rights to take full control of their own lives? A thousand years? Probably longer. Or are you expecting them to undergo sex change surgical operations to join the Arab guys who have been denying their human rights, just like you deem liberty as being legal for women to go topless anywhere in public? Personally, I would like the latter to happen. But as humans, shouldn't we not only be able to tell between what is right and wrong, but to also tell between reality and fantasy?

deathbait SG

actually, if you take the stand in us not having the right to tell them how to behave, you cannot also simultaneously say the men there are wrong to deny women equal rights.

It's a paradox.

LatecomerX SG

An Arab woman could have said the same thing, but does it make a difference? The fact still remains - that it is not within the rights of the Arab males to deny the rights of their local females.

protonhybrid SG

Originally posted by fymk:
Ahahhahahah to Protonhybrid

I am a woman talking about women't rights and the Saudi case has a logical link to women being oppressed while you keep bringing in anglo countries and their colonies as a way of diverting the argument to that of western oppression.

do you talk about "women's rights" all around the world, the numerous "abuses" taking place all around the world? no! why not? because you can't. however to PRETEND you care about saudi women ONLY when this news material pops up in anglo media is a sign of hypocrisy.

Yes it is their law which makes it right for women to be oppressed in their land.
Their law is not right and they are repulsive to me as a woman , not as a person from a modern country .

you are just being naive, maybe because you can't help it or because you're intentionally being mischievous. any law on earth can be said to be "not right" what is that supposed to mean? repulsive to many people from various cultures can be singapore's laws, oz's law, or any other anglo laws. what's your point?

Women being treated as human beings deserving of respect is right to me and other women.

i guess not having to display their private parts in public in saudi arabia as contrasted with anglo countries or singapore, they can say they're respected MORE in saudi than in anglophone countries or their colonies.

NO freaking way am I entering Saudi Arabia. I am not about to enter a land where men are allowed to do whatever they want to women as long as there are no male muslim witnesses. So forget that challenge.

no one invited you either. it's your choice why does it even matter? what matters is anglos have ALREADY entred looted pillaged killed and so on many countries including americas, australia, new zealand, africa, asia including singapore. and it's anglos who brought chinese over to singapore and ASEAN region, and settled themselves in OZ, NZ, USA, Canada etc etc etc
who invited them?

We can safely say that rape statistics in Saudi Arabia is low because no woman dares to report a rape for fear of being accused of being an adulterer.

no what we can safely say is not only are you ignorant of suadi arabia but also intellectually challenged. anybody who's lived there knows that not only rapes but ALL types of crimes are low in saudi and other arab GCC countries.

Your mother must be so proud of you for encouraging the killing of women for the so called repugnant honor of men. Your mother must be also proud of you for supporting the oppression of rape victims.

you b**** shut the **** up dont bring my relatives in to this picture. i did NOT drag your relatives to this picture

this is your second warning, i'll report to mods if you cross the threshold again

I hope you never have daughters - we certainly would not want to read about the culture of honor killing and how it is right for you to honor kill her because she does not agree to a forced marriage/ she gets raped/ she sees a boy she likes/she dresses in a western way.

and i hope you get raped over and over and over again in australia, only to have "women's rights" save you. serves you right.

You must be from one of those countries which allows such atrocities to happen . Or you must be a male who thinks males are superior to women . Or even both .

You refuse to give your background even when asked but continue to address a women's right issue as though it is just a western idea only.

I am a woman and I can feel Saudi law as an affront to me. Simple. It is my view as a woman .

YET it is not an affront when women are NOT allowed the same opportunity to play sports alongside men, to serve in armed forces etc in singapore or ozland eh? talk about brainwashing.
or not when they can't go topless in public as opposed to men but they have to display more skin than men on public in office attire usually. eh?

As for the statement you made about Singapore, isn't Saudi Arabia dependent on the US for oil trading as well? The american companies and european countries control the oil market and oil fuels the world. Saudi Arabia is not the only one with oil.

Exports:
$204.5 billion f.o.b. (2006 est.)
Exports - partners:
Japan 17.6%, [b]US 15.7%, South Korea 9.6%, China 7.2%, Singapore 4.4% (2006)
Imports:
$64.16 billion f.o.b. (2006 est.)
Imports - partners:
US 12.2%, Germany 8.6%, China 7.9%, Japan 7.3%, UK 4.8%, Italy 4.8% (2006)

they're not overly reliant on any one source.

The Saud family won't be as rich as they are now if they didn't sell oil to the Americans and Brits . They are cautious about offending the religious clerics because of this aspect. Once the oil well dries up , let's see what happens then. [/b]

nobody would be as rich as they're now if they didn't trade. not even your "masters" anglos who you look up to and also chose to migrate to (ozland is anglo). that's rudimentary trade/econs theory mate.

protonhybrid SG

However some older cultures still retain their respect towards women. The minangkabaus til now ,has a matriachal system. The Jews respect their women so much on equal standing that Israel actually drafts women into their army. So how come you delegated the rights of women to anglophone countries?

Women rights are an issue for all women regardless of where they are.

In regards to the argument you twisted about SE asian muslims.
Did I say they won't produce extremist? I am saying they have more respect for women than their arab counterparts.

yes it tells me a lot that person also had learnt a lot during his time in london, had his saudi citizenship renounced, had a lot of funding from CIA, good equipment from USA, and so on. tell a lot yeah?

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