Saudi king 'pardons rape victim'

last SG · 2007-12-18T05:17:43+00:00

you're not chinese? what are you then?

fymk SG

I cannot even be arsed arguing with Protonhybrid. I didn't say celebrate christmas ....I said spending time in holidays. Hey free time ...don't want har?

I am not exactly a Christian because I am converting to something else which does not celebrate Christmas. So there you go.

He is just too easy to play with. This guy wants women dumb so that he can appear more intelligent.

protonhybrid SG

provide some facts instead of fiction, and logical discourse instead of mental 'masturbation'.

protonhybrid SG

i couldn't care less about you or anybody else's religion. you can be a christian or a non christian and i dont hold anything at all against you for that.
however i'd expect you to know that not everyone is a christian.

and secondly what about domestic abuses of maids in singapore among other incidents. i provided links from singapore sites (not based in singapore perhaps understandably given singapore's lack of freedom of speech and expression), not just anglophone bbc sites. but seeing the level of respect fear and awe that anglophones gather in singapore, i used a few bbc and other anglophone links too.

rooki SG

Fact: women are being discriminated in Saudi.

Fiction: it's their own darn business and we shouldn't care even if all their women are treated as dirt/animals/whatever lowly thing you can come up with.

Who's the one 'masturbating' here? I can almost imagine protonhybrid wanking to the BDSM paradise that is Saudi. Of course, to the women it's a BDSM hell, but who cares about the rights of dirt, anyway? Rolling Eyes

protonhybrid SG

Originally posted by rooki:

Fact: women are being discriminated in Saudi.

Fiction: it's their own darn business and we [b]shouldn't care even if all their women are treated as dirt/animals/whatever lowly thing you can come up with.

Who's the one 'masturbating' here? I can almost imagine protonhybrid wanking to the BDSM paradise that is Saudi. Of course, to the women it's a BDSM hell, but who cares about the rights of dirt, anyway? Rolling Eyes [/b]

mate learn about fiction first!
a statement containing 'should' 'ought to' 'must' etc GENERALLY (in english language) is normative sentence. neither fact nor fiction. they're OPINIONS, value judgments!

what you mentioned was fiction is in fact neither fact nor fiction.

dont talk about masturbation here or other sick sexual fantasies of yours in this thread. for that there is "Bar" section in this forum.

rooki SG

Originally posted by protonhybrid:
provide some facts instead of fiction, and logical discourse instead of mental 'masturbation'.

Guess which pinhead brought masturbation into the debate in the first place?

Originally posted by protonhybrid:
mate learn about fiction first!
a statement containing 'should' 'ought to' 'must' etc GENERALLY (in english language) is normative sentence. neither fact nor fiction. they're OPINIONS, value judgments!

what you mentioned was fiction is in fact neither fact nor fiction.

Wow you certainly have a great command of English. Too bad that does not a whit in disguising your 16th century attitudes of misogyny.

I wish you luck in finding a wife in our 'modern' society. I wish your wife even greater luck to survive your beatings and oppression. Perhaps I may see you in jail once marital rape legislation is fully developed.

protonhybrid SG

instead of having a go at me or my personality, can you critique my arguments?

it's often said that when in an argument, any one party resorts to personal attacks or insults, it's a sign of admission of defeat.

AndrewPKYap SG

what arguments? Rolling Eyes

..stupid excuses used out of context more like it... how can any civilized person condone a state sentencing a woman to jail for 6 months and give her 200 lashes, for.... sitting in a car with a man... even if they are having sex it is nobody's business...

Laughing

Spartans SG

Protonhybrid based his argument on Saudi laws. It is the laws and the woman did break the laws.

However, he failed to analyse whether is the laws humane and reasonable or not in today society. He kept repeating we as Singaporeans have no right in criticizing Saudi laws.

deathbait SG

which is TRUE

We singaporeans didn't want to hear how caning michael fay was wrong.
They similarly don't want to hear our comments on how wrong their laws are.

But laws are laws.
And rules are only as good as people who follow them.

By "today society", what you really mean is "My society". Consider for a moment how obnoxious that sounds.

LatecomerX SG

Omg, this thread started two weeks ago and you guys are still arguing? By the way, proton, where's the answers I have been asking from you in my previous posts? And I wonder do the below posts count as admissions of defeat.

Look, I don't wish to spend more time arguing with you guys about an opinion I and many others hold. But to see someone having an opposite view, I'm curious to know what made them think so. But as you can see, it's taking up too much time while the topic is getting nowhere, and I know many of us involved are really exhausted.

Let me just propose you one final question to satisfy what I, and maybe others as well, would like to know. Please reply with either a "Yes" or "No" - that will be good enough. If you wish to justify your answers or have any other comments, please keep them in a separate post. I just need that "Yes/No" answer.

Here's the question: Do you think it's fair for you to go into a car with a acquaintance of the opposite gender and end up getting a jail term of 6 months and 200 lashes for it?

If you can't even answer this question and consciously skip it for the sake of throwing in your own argument, I would then see no purpose for us to continue this debate.

protonhybrid SG

LateComerX, you're being childish! now you're the more reasonable of the other ch**kaporeans arguing over here. that says a lot eh?

OF COURSE it's fair that in a sovereign country they employ their own legal system. what's so unfair about it? even more importantly, who are singaporeans to judge, question or assess the 'fairness' of laws in other places?

protonhybrid SG

let's see if singaporeans are people of their words. or do they break their words?

do they live up to the hype created by their own selves about freedom of expression blah blah blah modernity etc which is basically kowtowing to anglophone cultures rules regulations etc?

rooki SG

Allright protonhybrid. Further discussion of this is absolutely pointless if you do not stand by your arguments.
I now ask you: would you have spoken out against the Apartheid regime in South Africa in the 80s-90s? Just answer a yes or a no. It's that simple.

LatecomerX SG

Nope, you're not answering my question, my friend. Let me pose it to you one last time, which would possibly be my last reply to you in this topic if you still wish to sidetrack.

Question:
Do you think it's fair for you to go into a car with a acquaintance of the opposite gender and end up getting a jail term of 6 months and 200 lashes for it?

I have highlighted the keywords for your reference, and please do not take the question out of any context again. It's not about being in a sovereign country, within a legal system or whatsoever. If there is any context, it's about you as a human being on this planet. I am expecting an one-word answer. If you have anything else to say, like who's childish or moronic, please keep them in a separate post as they will be disregarded.

And a Happy New Year to everyone else who is reading this topic. Mr. Green

CX SG

Originally posted by LatecomerX:

Question:
Do [b]you think it's fair for you to go into a car with a acquaintance of the opposite gender and end up getting a jail term of 6 months and 200 lashes for it?

I have highlighted the keywords for your reference, and please do not take the question out of any context again. It's not about being in a sovereign country, within a legal system or whatsoever. If there is any context, it's about you as a human being on this planet. I am expecting an one-word answer. If you have anything else to say, like who's childish or moronic, please keep them in a separate post as they will be disregarded.

And a Happy New Year to everyone else who is reading this topic. Mr. Green
[/b]

Yes, I think its unfair and barbaric. But is this statement going to protect me from their wrath if I go over and mess with their women?

If, and when Saudi Arabia undertakes legal reforms and maybe adopts commonwealth law, I say THAT'S GREAT!

That's a system more familiar to businesses and travelers and more consistent with the laws and regulations in place in many other countries.

Until that day, when I fly to the middle east, I respect their laws, regulations, cultures and religion and keep away from their women.

protonhybrid SG

Originally posted by LatecomerX:

Nope, you're not answering my question, my friend. Let me pose it to you one last time, which would possibly be my last reply to you in this topic if you still wish to sidetrack.

Question:
Do [b]you think it's fair for you to go into a car with a acquaintance of the opposite gender and end up getting a jail term of 6 months and 200 lashes for it?

I have highlighted the keywords for your reference, and please do not take the question out of any context again. It's not about being in a sovereign country, within a legal system or whatsoever. If there is any context, it's about you as a human being on this planet. I am expecting an one-word answer. If you have anything else to say, like who's childish or moronic, please keep them in a separate post as they will be disregarded.

And a Happy New Year to everyone else who is reading this topic. Mr. Green
[/b]

happpy (christian) new year to you my friend.
Smile
IF YOU WANT TO ASK ABOUT MYSELF, and think that ONLY ONE SET OF LAWS APPLY or should apply through out the world, kindly open a thread yourself on that matter!
otherwise try to stick to topic.

protonhybrid SG

Originally posted by CX:

If, and when Saudi Arabia undertakes legal reforms and [b]maybe adopts commonwealth law, I say THAT'S GREAT!

That's a system more familiar to businesses and travelers and more consistent with the laws and regulations in place in many other countries.

[/b]

I believe first you need some grammar lessons of your 'master' anglophones.
And second, thanks for proving what a devoted bum l!cker you're, of anglophone's empires and ambitions. you even have gall to talk about adoption of foreign anglophone commonwealth laws for a sovereign nation.
IF singapore was sovereign they'd be ashamed. however they're not sovereign and merely an outpost for britain in asean region.

Spartans SG

Practise what you preach.

Israel is a sovereign country, regardless of whether you like it or not.

protonhybrid SG

Originally posted by Spartans:

Practise what you preach.

[b]Israel is a sovereign country, regardless of whether you like it or not. [/b]

hmmm....no. a large chunk of the world doesn't recognize it. and it was indeed a british creation. therefore it seems i am indeed practising what i preach. however the only catch is you provided wrong "facts".

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