Saudi king 'pardons rape victim'

last SG · 2007-12-18T05:17:43+00:00

you're not chinese? what are you then?

fymk SG

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Luxurious? Comfortable?

They are imprisoned in their own homes until they are allowed to go overseas or accompanied by a male relative.

Women are not assets or human. They are human beings.

fymk SG

The girl seriously should have gone out with her male relatives OR her husband aka her fiance at that time, to retrieve the pictures. Stupidity on her part.

protonhybrid SG

funniest thing is this is a singapore forum.

as if singapore is a just system or a free and open or liberal system. in fact the ones that raise most hue and cries (usa/uk) are not the most liberal either.

some people DESPITE accepting that differences in culture exist like lazerlord, can't accept it. quite ridiculous.

the original ruling was fair.

protonhybrid SG

you're implying that only your culture is sane. that's obviously not the case in reality. time for reality check friend.

the law was absolutely ok.

protonhybrid SG

they WERE going to provide justice originally but backtracked and the king pardoned the woman.

protonhybrid SG

spartans, you seem to be the major poster in this thread with your antiislamic rhetoric and dogma of discrimination against women in shariah laws.

you're also aware the cultural/regional/etc practices customs norms vary. do you think you make any sense then?

protonhybrid SG

Laughing you're funny you contradict yourself.
anyway kindly tell me what is "cultural relativity" so i can argue further.

protonhybrid SG

edit: double post

protonhybrid SG

Originally posted by Spartans:

Indeed. But shouldnt there be a basic [b]humane regulations which can serve as basis for ALL norms and laws? But the problem is, the world cannot seem to agree on this basic set of humane regulations.

For eg,

we firmly believe excuation by stoning of women is inhumane. However, to the Arabs, they view it as part and parcel of their Sharia laws.[/b]

the answer to your question

But shouldnt there be a basic humane regulations which can serve as basis for ALL norms and laws?

is NO.

that's in fact a round about way of colonizing others. imposing your values onto others.

tell me moer about you. are you chinese? singaporean? so i can know who is "we" for you.

protonhybrid SG

can you give me a source for that claim?

protonhybrid SG

i dont see the relevance of United Nations in this argument. it's well known it was founded by usa/uk after WWII and is regularly shown to be biased in their favour. they in fact control it. so your point being?

and even if hypothetically UN weren't controlled by them, what point does it serve in this discussion?

fymk SG

You are probably male and you probably think women are inferior to men.

Well , if the tables are turned and the law is discriminatory against men , no doubt you will be first in line to yell out discrimination.

Laws are not always right. The whole Saudi system reeks of medieval laws with no checks or balances. Just like the medieval laws of the European courts where religion hold sway and that inquisitors could burn a woman alive at the stake for being a so called "witch". No appeal , judgement is final unless the pope or the king pardons. See a similarity there?

As far as I am concerned, Saudi Arabia doesn't even have a uniform code of conduct across the courts . For sexual misconduct, the court will be made up of 3 Wahabist clerics/ qadis .

On a good day , may be those 3 qadis may let the woman off . On a bad day, the 3 qadis could be those type of men who think women are lesser human beings just because they interpret the Quran as so, and therefore condemn a woman.

Even the bible can be manipulated so can the Torah and Quran to the benefits of men.

fymk SG

He is not anti -islamic in the views.

Heck - the fanatiscism of Islamic clerics in the middle eastern countries have subjugated women to a lesser being . It is a fact. Don't need to argue it.

In Australia, we have been forced to listen to gang rapists claiming Islam as their defence , and an iman calling women fresh meat just because they don't follow their standards of modesty.

In Europe , there were honor killings by muslim families from the middle east, sub saharan Africa or pakistani origins. And guess what the defence is again? Their religion.

I don't mind the moderate Islamic practices in SE asia. The muslims in SE asia are more tolerant than the ones who come from the Middle east. Why? Because the culture in some ethnic groups in SE asia had a matriachal system , i.e. Minangkabaus. The Islam which spread to SE asia was integrated into the culture. Islam of that time didn't seek to force itself on cultures - it seeked conversion and in order to integrate , it had to accomodate cultural norms of the time.

Islam is a good religion which preaches the way of righteousness. However you have men , who in the name of religion, destroying the good religion themselves by their actions /words as well as IMPOSITION on other cultures, regardless of whether intentionally or unintentionally.

oxford mushroom SG

Once again, the liberal leftist seeks to impose his view on the rest of the world. It is obvious that you have no respect at all for the democratic rights of a community to decide for themselves how they wish to order their lives. For your own sake, I hope you learn to shake off your naivety and see that the organizations you talk about are dominated by a small powerful minority who seek to impose their values on others.

Do us a favour: learn to respect the rule of the majority.

fymk SG

LOL Democratic rights of a community?

Saudi Arabia is a kingdom. There is no democracy there for women. There is no democratic say who the minister should be. Democracy at best in Saudi Arabia is a farce. Any one who says anything against the Clerics are labelled as Heretics and KILLED. Even IRAN looks extremely democratic in comparison to Saudi Arabia. Even Malaysia would be the Muslim world's version of USA - liberal and free, standing next to Saudi Arabia. Iran herself, even have women in government and it is a strict muslim country. They have the second largest population of jews in the middle eastern world. What does that tell you about Saudi?

If the Holy Inquisition was present in the modern times now ,and non-catholics get persecuted and killed as heretics and pagans or even witches- would you still agree with the said democratic rights of the community to do so?

Slipshade SG

I agree... but the taking four wives thing was actually implemented to HELP WOMEN. However, all that became distorted as not all men are as enlightened as Prophet Muhammad. :\

Religion can be good, but it's usually the people who screws it all up. Sad

fymk SG

Originally posted by Slipshade:

I agree... but the taking four wives thing was actually implemented to [b]HELP WOMEN. However, all that became distorted as not all men are as enlightened as Prophet Muhammad. :\

Religion can be good, but it's usually the people who screws it all up. Sad [/b]

Yeah and to make it more difficult - you have to treat all 4 wives equally. You spend one night with one , you have to spend one night with the rest. You buy one a rolex and you have to buy the other three a rolex.

deathbait SG

calm down guys

It is their law.

Much like death sentence for drugs is ours.
Or caning for vandalism.

Outsiders may not agree, but it's ours/theirs.

Like i said, you may not agree with it, but it's not your law. So chill.

joshua182 SG

ours is barbaric but pragmatic. theirs is just barbaric.

fymk SG

Agreed.

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