Originally posted by fymk:
If you say that they have the right to discriminate against women ,
then what is there to stop others from discriminating against race?
After that , what is there to say about killing in the name of
religious superiority? There is no discernable difference between
gender apartheid, religious and racial apartheids- they are
discriminatory and [b]wrong.
then what is there to stop discriminating on the basis of
nationality, language etc. guess what in your oh so prim and proper
singapore, that's a reality and PERFECTLY LEGAL! then what about
height, what about looks, what about weight, what about right/left
handedness, what about social status, what about wealth, what about
disabilities etc etc etc and the list goes on and on and
on....where do you stop? what about animals? what about other
living organisms? what about harmful or deadly viruses or microbes
that can kill humans? what about them?
get out of your shell and realize your perception of "wrong"
doesn't make it so.
Hitler had his own beliefs that jews were filth and he set about
wiping them out. Some hardcore muslims have the beliefs that
Americans and the white world are the devils of
the world and they did a 9/11 , london bombings, bali bombings
etc.
dont bring irrelevant things into this discussion. and anyway
get your facts right. many muslim majority nations are by
anglophone definitions "white". how can they be against "white
world". and no even the most hardcore muslims even in their worst
days wouldn't say a certain ethnic group or race is devilish or
such. it's ONLY in your imagination!
There are cases of hardcore imans in western countries who are
adamant that women are asking to get raped because they are
"immodest" by the middle eastern standards. One iman recently
created an uproar in Australia for stating that women exposing
their flesh are akin to fresh meat asking to get raped. What does
it tell you?
YOU are the one who's shortsighted. WHY, oh WHY, do you limit
your cases to western countries only? why are the western countries
only so important to you? it tells us two things. first your own
views are shaped by them. two you hold them above all others.
on this issue, i've tackled it before. the imam is right to say
whatever he wants in australia, isn't austrlaia an anglophone
country that speaks about freedom of speech. where did that "value"
of freedom blah blah blah go now?
There are certain hardcore muslims are already imposing their
own beliefs in other countries. Honor killings are not just
boogeymen legends in European countries - they are a reality. Women
have been raped by some of these black sheep who used the excuse of
"religious culture" even though they are in another country.
again europe? what about rest of the world? note my paragraphs
above.
These hardcore fundamentalists cast a bad light on the other
muslims who want to coexist peacefully in a diverse society.
Malaysia, Indonesia and Turkey are good examples of countries who
can adapt to modernisation - if they can do it , why not the
rest?
kindly tell me what is modernization. and why are turkey
malaysia or indonesia fine examples of these. i think you're just
going with mainstream anglophone media propaganda, which in reality
holds no water.
So for each hardcore muslim who criticises or even violate the
rights of women in countries other than the middle east, there will
be a few women criticising the laws of their land. I consider it a
fair exchange.
first you're implying muslims are/have the right to ONLY be in
middle east. b**locks! second BY YOUR DEFINITION they did nothing
to singapore afaik, hence you're not being fair either.
but quibbling aside, tell me how many muslim countries in middle
east ACTUALLY killed millions, enslaved hundreds of millions, for
hundreds of years, shaped their colonies' customs, cultures, laws,
education, dress, entertainment, VALUES (like in your case, it's
english values that dominate), fashion, science, religion
etc.
now compare that with europe. yet it's europe which you use as
measuring stick. high time you do some soul searching friend.
I am a woman and I refuse to see how other women should be treated
like property or lesser beings. It is not a liberal stance. It is
about standing up for my own kind.
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it is certainly not a liberal but a very fanatic stance. what do
you know of, let alone do or can do to help, the billions of women
out there in the world right now? and what crimes they are being
subjected to.
let me ask you, singapore alongside many other countries also dont
like women going topless in public, but men i dont think faces a
problem.
is this gender discrimination against women in your book?
IF IT is NOT, by YOUR Definition, then we'll see how shortsighted
and narrowminded you're.
IF YES, start criticizing anglophone countries first.
