Believe in science & ethics

last SG · 2007-08-17T14:02:49+00:00

The scope of science is very wide.It includes social sciences such as sociology,psychology and politics.

soul_rage SG

interesting opinion.

Let's see the definition of Science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

"Science (from the Latin scientia, 'knowledge'), in the broadest sense, refers to any systematic knowledge or practice. In a more restricted sense, science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method, as well as to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research"

As such, this definition of Science means that its more a human practice of acquiring knowledge, and is more subject to the human discovery.

So perhaps you might want to explain what you mean by "Science has always being present before the advent of Man". Or perhaps, you might want to discuss what is your definition of Science.

PRP SG

The fault lies with researchers and not science.

PRP SG

How many things we enjoy today are not due to the advance of science?

So u enjoy the fruits of the scientific advancements but don't believe in science?

U don't believe in ethics?U believe in cheating & harming others?

Gun SG

I give u a hint:

Imagine what goes on in the minds of CEO of a typical drug/pharmaceutical company or ho$pital today. Science has become the slave of today's cooperate greed and commercialisation.

Don't agree?

2nd Hint: Guess who's Law is most financially rewarding today?
Issac Newton's laws of motion or
Adam Smith's concept on free trade & capitalism?

Oh, I love another capitalist slogan from Hollywood Greed is Good.......and it is losely based on C Darwin's theory of Evolution. Mr. Green

(human) SG

Remember your humanity and forget the rest. -Albert Einstein

soul_rage SG

Yet, researchers are the ones that advance Science.
And since researchers err quite commonly, due to several different reasons, therefore, based on Discrete Mathematics proving, it is proven that Science cannot be an absolute, nor can you take its results as the truth, and nothing by the truth.

Mind you, I am using Science (Maths itself is a Science) to prove to you that Science cannot be trusted.

If its not researchers, then please tell me where does Science come from?

Again, I refer you to the definition of Science I posted. Unless you have your own definition.

soul_rage SG

Then again, I am not against Science.
I appreciate what Science has done, and I believe Science is the way to advance mankind (for now).

But, to believe that only what can be proven by Science is the truth, is never something which I can subscribe to.

Scientific discoveries are made by Man, and since there is no other way to advance Science other than by Man, then Science is never the absolute truth, since Man can err

PRP SG

Do u believe in science?Do u believe the science u learned in school?Pls answer.

PRP SG

Yes,there is greed.But does that affect our believe in science?Science has improved our lives GREATLY!

caleb_chiang SG

myself... Rolling Eyes

soul_rage SG

I DO NOT believe that Science holds all the answers
In fact, Science holds only SOME answers

That's all I will believe in. And I am also open to the possibility that Science can be wrong, and like all new products, new discoveries in Science requires many years before the discovery is considered mature and established.

So yes, maybe those Science discoveries we learnt in school (Primary to JC) may be considered more established.

What about you? Are you going to be like the Church when they isolate Galileo because he could not prove at that time his theory that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and not vice versa?

soul_rage SG

dear friend

in which aspect of life does Science improve your life greatly?

The materialistic part?
The spiritual part?

Pls answer the qn above.

Thanks

PRP SG

I blieve u should know too.

PRP SG

About Galileo,he believed in science but the Church didn't.

soul_rage SG

Then you should know that Science only satisfies us in a very limited manner.

This is fine if a person is only concerned with what is physical and material

soul_rage SG

I think this is a very dangerous statement to make.

Are you telling me that the Church does not believe in Science AT ALL?

Decades ago, when someone raised the idea of traveling to space, others laugh at his ridiculous notion.

Thomas Edison would never have successfully invented the light bulb if he had given up his attempts after 1000+ times.

Those were the limitations of Science THEN.

What makes you think that what Science cannot prove now, means they do not exist?

I have already given a definition of Science, and it is human-driven. As such, Science can ALWAYS be wrong. So why don't you talk about your own opinions, instead of repeatedly asking for others?

PRP SG

I have said that a finding or an opinion which is wrong is not science.

Just because there are wrong scientific finding or opinion,u don't believe in science?What do u think about those scientific discoveries or theories which are right?

Herzog_Zwei SG

Relativity is one otherwise, we would be causing a blackhole to appear.

soul_rage SG

and how do you know a finding or opinion is wrong when you still do not know its wrong yet?

A bit of a chicken and egg issue isn't it?

Science has always been about trial and research and trial and research. What's correct today, may not be correct several years later.

Beware of how you assume things, like for instance, your dangerous statement that the Church does not believe in Science. For example, I never did say I DO NOT believe in Science. The more correct approach I adopt is, I never believe BLINDLY in Science, I am always open to the idea that Science can be wrong.

Again, you have not replied to my question to you. What is YOUR definition of Science? As far as I am concerned, Science is HUMAN-DRIVEN, and therefore there's no such thing as Science exists before Man. Without Man, there is no Science, because no one can work on discoveries and research to produce all that we have now.

If Science cannot prove that Ghosts exist now, does it mean ghosts don't exist?

soul_rage SG

Please elaborate. One-liners do not contribute to this thread

And I am interested to understand why you bring blackholes into the picture, because I have an intense interest in blackholes

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