Is it really necessary to hire citizens at all?

last SG · 2007-11-25T21:51:36+00:00

win-win situation for both employer and "worker" mah

Lim Wei Ming SG

I don't think its possible to do that. But if you found a way, don't forget to share with us. Laughing

reddressman SG

My Malaysian PR who has studied, worked and married sg'lian girl here and have children here have stayed here for at least 15 years says this :

THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO CONVERT TO PR.

Meaning : Being a PR is very much like being a citizen in many ways.
So, he does not find a reason to convert.

I also think he is waiting for something to be dangled in front of him 1st then he will consider.

will4 SG

Originally posted by reddressman:

My Malaysian PR who has studied, worked and married sg'lian girl here and have children here have stayed here for at least 15 years says this :

[b]THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO CONVERT TO PR.

Meaning : Being a PR is very much like being a citizen in many ways.
So, he does not find a reason to convert.

I also think he is waiting for something to be dangled in front of him 1st then he will consider.

[/b]

Correct in a sense PR is like similar to a citizen but the only thing is second generation PR need to serve NS. Some of the PR parents chose to let

their children gave up their PR before reaching eighteen.

eagle SG

Just this statement alone you won't be able to prove right now. Why? Cuz reminds me of MM Lee directing this question to that reporter: How many is many? Did you do a survey? What is your survey size? etc etc Laughing (lol not at you, but at MM Lee)
But seriously, you can't just put this claim forward without a proof.

Well, my language teachers (german and jap, and if you want, I can get an email survey for you anytime) in NUS are from overseas, and the main reason they come to work and teach in Singapore is because they like it here. Exceptions, or is it the norm? I won't say it because it is only a few of these people that I know.

Of course not all PRs like it here... Many are forced to work here. PRCs that come on MOE scholarships have a 6 year bond. So do many other scholarships that get students from India, China, and etc. But some of these scholars that I know do like it here and planned on staying here to start a family. Some, as you have said, are using here as a stepping stone to hope to work in the US in the future.

Originally posted by reddressman:
My Malaysian PR who has studied, worked and married sg'lian girl here and have children here have stayed here for at least 15 years says this :

[b]THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO CONVERT TO PR.

Meaning : Being a PR is very much like being a citizen in many ways.
So, he does not find a reason to convert.

I also think he is waiting for something to be dangled in front of him 1st then he will consider.[/b]

No incentive to convert to PR? Or you mean no incentive to convert to citizen?

reddressman SG

yes that is correct understanding of my colleague situation.

He is 34, and has 2 kids and a HDB condo in sg near a good property value estate. He die die does not want to buy a car. He says its insane to pay so much for a car when he can get for cheap for the same. Much like he can get a BWM for a normal saloon car here. He finds it ridiculus to own a car here.

But he also always try to remind people that he can afford a car but does chose not to.

He keeps telling colleagues who are also FTs that there is no need for him to drop his precious malaysian citizenship given that, I quote him say, sg is very small and future can be anything. Work can be very tough for citizens. If he keep Malaysia passport, he still can go back if things turn bad here. His wife is 100% sg'lian. His sisters are also like him. PRs but enjoying the benefits they can get out of PR ship. By keeping his MY citizen and using his PR ship, he is enjoying the BEST of both worlds. Unfortunately, Sg'lians do not have this advantage. In addition to their having to spend 2 or 2.5 years (older batch) while competing with these hundreds of thousands of PRs just like him.
This is a fact. While same age youths of Malaysia come in to Sg to study, our boys are serving. These Malaysians are ahead by 2 to 2.5 years already. They stand to gain in terms of currency exchange when they work . While our boys keep getting recalled , these PRs continue to gain salary without disruption. This continues until many many years. By then, the My counterparts have already gotten married while you are just starting out. Then, you face the indons, the filips and the indians.

He is merely 1 example.

Hundreds of thousands and more like him are in and coming to sg to enjoy what is given.

I cannot blame them.

This is the way the system is made to be.

And sg'lians the Majority are all for this.

Congrats and Enjoy!

I initiate my backup plan.

@$%@$%% ccbtlb lky ks!

eagle SG

The PR’s sons (if also PR) need to serve NS too

reddressman SG

To Eagle,

If you want, I can proof what I said.

One thing for sure, of the FTs know,
majority does not like the price of flats and cars here and also the work-life-balance or imbalance.

reddressman SG

take my PR colleague example.

His children are around 4-6 years old for the 2 child.

They still have at least 12 to 14 years to decide.

By then, MY could have presented opportunities to retract him back.

Meanwhile, there is no need to convert to citizen.

The mother is a citizen can already.

his child will also compete for seats in the schools with local children.

enjoy.

You deserve it.

will4 SG

Correct, second generation PR like I already served full time NS but as for those who have not served, they need to make a decision before reaching

18 whether to serve or if they chose not to serve, they will need to give up their PR.

eagle SG

if you want to refer to price of flats and cars here, if Singaporeans cannot take it already, how can foreigners even take it? Laughing

I wouldn't refer them as FTs (for those around my age). To me, most are just cannot-make-it people. Many Singaporeans I know can easily thrash those so called scholars in terms of work ethics, conversation, EQ, IQ, etc...

And I wouldn't ask you to go do something that I would be too lazy to do if I made the same claim as you. The fact is, the 'majority' that you said, what is the percentage of all foreigners (or FTs) of your 'majority' in Singapore? Furthermore, one would most likely take note of those that complained. Those that do not think there is any need to complain at all, be it too lazy to or just like the place here, would of course not be heard.

reddressman SG

18 years can accumulate hundreds of thousands if not millions more of PRs.

They would have occupied so many of locals jobs.

And yes, you are right, generally FTs are not the Rare talents like professors , inventors and nobel laurettes. They are just like you and me, with common skills worth 2000 or 2500 or above.

I think the word 'TALENT' has been less than ideally used.

will4 SG

Generally speaking, PR working in here can save money to buy houses in Malaysia or other neighbouring countries, somemore landed property.

reddressman SG

What is the count of PRs as of now?

Anyone capable of revealing this?

And how many humans you see are really citizens and not PRs, FT, tourists, Workpermit workers from abroad?

reddressman SG

Wah len eh….knows ah?

reddressman SG

1st world in terms of facilities....

acturely,

china is also 1st world in terms of facilities, IF you selectively consider the various types and aspects of world class facilities they have been using.
Sg is so tiny even at city size level. its not as difficult to have nice infra and make available facilities to most people here , COMPARED to truely large countries. But this does not mean truely large countries where facilities is not covered in 100% of its land area is not 1st world in facilities.

Take india for example. it also has satellites, maybe technologically advanced weapon systems, world class computer centers, world class facilities. But may not be available in all of india. china, the same.

facilities is bought by money also.
Its easy to buy top end notebooks & internet facilities for a small class of 10 students compared to buying top end notebooks & facilities for a large class of say, 100 million students. But this does not mean the large class does not have world class facilities.

i pray no one is ignorant.

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