HyperFocal SG For all your detailed explanations, it is very obvious after so many decades, to briefly state that we are fundamentally being FARMED for money by the current ruling party.... ... while we are made to live by & with, so many margins the drew...
<Precious> SG TS, the fact that you may have had lettrers refused for publication does not necessarily mean that the press is not free wor..... That is no way to arrive at your conclusion! If I were the editor, I will also choose to pass over your your letter as you sprout a lot of utter rubbish without backing up your assertions with solid facts/evidence..... You will have failed your GP too! BTW, you still have not answered my query as to the basis you suggest that the press is not "free".........
robertteh SG If you want to play semantics go ahead and have your play. The post is concerned with the topic : First thing to do in restoring democracy - free the press. After you asked for proof I have given you proof based on my own personal experiences of having objectively written critical letters rejected but you have conveniently refused to accept that as proof without telling me yourself why was the press free. Remember the international survey of press freedom has not ranked Singapore Press as 145th in term of freedom without a reason. For more information, please read the relevant website provided in this forum many times on our press freedom. Why was our press not free. Ask PM Lee what he meant when he told the press that "Journalists are not permitted to practise Crusading Journalism" Will the above-stated evidence be sufficient to show that PM Lee has restricted press freedom by resorting to OB to prevent journalists from publishing articles carrying their own in-depth views or opinions which can be easily deemed crusading any particular stand or issue.
storywolf SG there is no true free press !!! All new company are own by people !!! they are use by people with their own objective and views !!! - thus no true free press !!!
<Precious> SG So typical of TS' pattern that when his argument has been rubbished, he turns around to say that I play "semantics"........ Opposition parties lose liao, oso say PAP this and PAP that...... They should really be taking a long hard look at themselves.......... Birds of a feather! At the end of the day, TS and the opposition parties had better face it that they CMI one la. While on the outside, they try to portray themselves as intellectuals, examine them more thoroughly and they have no substance and are just empty vessels making the most noise!
<Precious> SG So let's see some of your proof that the local press are being controlled by the government!
kramnave SG More or less it is one lah... Got one time during the height of our water issue with Malaysia, front page print big big that our Navy had some exercise near some island (think Pedra Branca but i may be wrong). Next page print small small that communication lines in part of Johor were down . On top of that, you don't see much columns/review kaopei about PAP, if any at all.
robertteh SG What did you do when you ran out of points or facts in proving your stand that the Singapore Press is free. Or have you proven your point? Blame forumers here who did not agree with you for being useless whiners like Wee Shu Min. When you are well provided for and your stomach is fed and not hungry like that Mr. Tan who jumped off the MRT track count your blessing and do not start challenging those who speak up. Remember no one likes to be hungry and without food as happened in that case. His last conversation with his son was to ask his son to go and buy some dinner with his remaining $9 in his pocket. Do you call Mr. Tan or the poor who were so squeezed that they are the whiners if they ever spoke up. Many radio listeners who responded to questionnaires over the air on the issue of retirements have expressed the fact that the government is over-taxing and exploiting the people. Do you call them whiners for such talking of facts. If you are not as fortunate as Wee Shu Min how would you have felt to be the son of that Mr. Tan or the many radio listeners who expressed indignance over such open and systematic exploitation of people going on for years that cause their plight and suffering. Facts are facts. By refusing to accept facts and starting to question facts and our intellects without questioning your own intellect you will be just another Wee Shu Min. Let see how you yourself will be able to stand up and face the people in a public forum for behaving in such a heartless manner. That is our current problem - people who are well and fortunate are becoming heartless and cold and looking askance at all their fellow citizens and calling them names. How to convince the rest of Singaporeans to stop questioning the current self-serving self-glorifying government for their wrongful policies which have caused so many problems to the people.
<Precious> SG I have never claimed that the Singapore press is free. It is TS who puts this in my mouth! But it is you who seemed to suggest that the press is not free. Therefore, it is only imperative that TS backs up his assertion with proof : He who asserts must prove it! Not the other way around! TS had better get his basic facts right! And TS' pattern and the opposition's are very similar: assert something but never support it with solid factual evidence. So when challenged, they cannot adduce evidence. Kena sued is therefore deserved! If you have solid facts, you should have nothing to fear...... So when you are not sure of the facts and you still wanna go shooting off your mouths at other people, you cannot blame others for nuking you when they counter attack and you have no defences whatsoever
Jontst78 SG You mean the government doesn't have control over the press? Or are you saying it what you said just for the sake of splitting hairs? Believe what you will. The fact remains that there are several former ISD personnel in the higher ups of SPH means something to me. And they use vague terms like nation building to defend their editorial decisions.
<Precious> SG TS, you are obviously labouring the point. You got a problem understanding plain english, haven't you? I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT THE SINGAPORE PRESS IS FREE! And since I have never made this claim, what do I have to prove? Rather, it is you who have suggested that the press is NOT free. It is therefore your onus to show evidence that this is so. Othewise, your allegation is baseless
<Precious> SG [quote]Originally posted by Jontst78: [b] You mean the government doesn't have control over the press? Or are you saying it what you said just for the sake of splitting hairs? I haven't said anything about the press. It was TS who had first suggested that the press wasn't free. Under the law of evidence in a civil court of law, a party who claims something must back that claim with proof. Thus, if TS claims that the press is not free, he has to back up his claim. Otherwise, his claim will fail for want of proof. This is exactly what happens to the opposition parties. They make all kinds of assertions without being able to adduce proof to back up those assertions. That's why thy all lost in court.........
Icemoon SG You never learn your lesson. later robertteh and hyperfocal will shoot back say the court is under the control of XXX.
<Precious> SG Should Robertteh & Hyperfocal continue to make baseless assertions, I believe they will just land themselves in court sooner than later........ hao zhi wei zhi!
freedom4ever SG can i ask you a question? why the govt is not monitor by the media? where they spend their money on and a yearly report of it in the front page of the strait times and news?
robertteh SG We do not know who is "precious" who is such a provocative person. If she says that we the forumers will land ourselves in trouble for giving our two cents' worth with such arrogance and self-opinionated confidence it is clear enough we do not need evidences or proofs of what we have posted that the Singapore Press or may be the judiciary is indeed controlled by the government.
qlqq9 SG Free the press? I think this gonna be over MM’s dead body. He will never risk freeing the press. As kiasi, kiasu, autocratic like him will not let go of the press. He sees the potential that the press can “kill” him and his party if the press is not under his control.
reddressman SG ya lor I agree there is no proof at all! Just read the frontpage column for Insight by LEE SIEW HUA. Her smile, oh my gawd look at her smile! grinning from ear to ear... Look at what she is writing. I dont think she is a PAP member right? Look at her writing. So talented and phrase sentences so well. She was talking about PAP 's Halimah Yacob. But I worry for Lee SH in that, does she have permission from Halimah to write about her? u get what i mean?? LEE SH says about MP, GRC, AVA etc. Does she have permission ? or she already was given the permission? Who does she represent? what is her message to the people? and why the smile so like that, I mean nice lor.
