sgdiehard SG Originally posted by hloc: Alamak..... same topic again. [b]Slavery = 1) No ROD date on your 'service'.... ever. Till you die. 2) No pay whatsoever..... 3) No 'Rights' (rest, getting beaten up, holiday, food... etc) whatsoever.... 4) No medical service..... 5) No weekend off..... 6) No nothing..... National Service = 1) Everyone have a given date till the time he/she finish service. 2) You got allowance from SAF (no much) 3) If any of the sergent even dare to punch or hit you..... the sergent could be charge.... 4) I was one of those MC kings.... 5) Enjoy my weekend off like most ppl. 6) Was a regular..... SAF paid for my NTC3 & NTC2..... got paid some more. National Service is service to THE NATIONAL...... not PAP. This is the SAME NATIONAL that your family lives in..... if and when someone attack S'pore. The attacker will not just attack PAP supporter & leaves Anti PAP ppl alone. If doing your National Service is too 'Hard' on you..... please leave S'pore as soon as possible..... go to some paradise country of your chosing..... If we can't depend on you during peace time.... ain't you just going to failed us during war times..... :? [/b]x 3
de_middle SG at least now they have spring mattresses to sleep on.....my time...only yellow sponge & some rotten black spotted pillows .....looks as if someone cummed on it still not good enough.....asking too much man
sunnytv SG To be truth, if given a choice to opt-out, I sure alot of Singaporeans would opt-out. But if pay is million per year, most would consider signed on but not me.
hisoka SG i'm not talking about comfort. its other things. like confinement? the extra military laws imposed, certain jobs and vocations, some functions.
Poh Ah Pak SG NS is okay in my view, but 2 years is too long. They should shorten it to 1 year+ in the future.
Rockhound SG abolish NS and everyone would be making noise on higher CPF...higher GST...Higher everythings.... just to support the armed forces
reddressman SG We must never abolish NS. Reasons: 1. Its one of the few things that separates a PR from a Citizen. 2. Its one of the things you get to enjoy compared to non-citizens. Why I say enjoy is because some people feel proud to serve and thus they enjoy. 3. Let new immigrants have chance to also enjoy NS. This wonderful thing must be shared. We must not deprive them. 4. After spending time and energy in NS, you get to compete with foreigners who did not serve NS. That is your advantage. You got NS they no gawd NS. Also, you get the chance to prove you can climb faster on corporate ladder and earn money faster despite slight delay starting career. See, all the many wonderful reasons to keep NS. I hope all your sons get the chance to enjoy NS.
speakupforyourrights SG NS TURNS A BOY INTO A MAN! I AM VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT I GOING TO NS IN ABT 10 DAYS TIME ITS AN HONOR THAT I DONT THINK I WILL GET AGAIN IN THIS LIFETIME FORZA SAF!
Blurified SG somehow i dun tink that our NS stint have an adv over foreigners... the only time when our NS stint comes to adv ish when we guys get a slightly higher starting pay than the ladies in the gahmen sector and climb slightly faster then the ladies if your performance is on par with them... FT come in pay start higher, climb faster... thats wat i tink...
sunnytv SG Welcome to hell & experienced the dark side of army for 2 years if u r unlucky to be enroll to the worst unit & officers. For me to know, for u to find out.
Othello_Red SG The reasons for NS are more than reasonable. It is the only practical way to have a defence force. The problem why many feel that it is a form of slavery in disguise is because of two things. The lack of a clearly defined threat and the way it is run. My korean friends also have to serve NS. But for them, their family treats it as an honour. They tell me they don't look forward to it, but they understand the importance. It does help somewhat that their dear neighbours are run by a madman with nuclear arms. But this is not to say that as long as there is an importance and clearly defined threat, the people will willingly serve. I have plenty of Taiwanese friends whose parents send them away from Taiwan for long periods of time just so they don't have to serve. I have a friend whose been away for about 7 years without seeing his parents. Also, the way that NS is run has caused lots of discontent among those who have been through it. The majority of regulars treat NSFs as cheap labour and most of those in command positions just plain can't lead. Sometimes, they're not to blame. When you have a quota system and you only have that limited resource, the quality that makes it through are going to be lower than when you have a system where by only the top make it through. Then again, for some of them, being chose to lead goes to their head and they end up wielding their power to the extent that it borders abuse. It doesn't help that the government deals with it through unwritten rules where whistleblowers are stigmatized and all the inadequacy are kept under wraps.
hloc SG But thats the problem...... If S'porean themselves believe that NS is Slavery, who would feel honoured We serve our part in NS, no matter how big or small our part is. We serve our time in NS because our Father & elder Brothers did the same. We serve because after our ROD. Some other Sons from some other Father will be doing the same for us..... Do we need a WAR with our Neighbours to make life less mundane for our NSman Would our NSman only feel important if they spent sometime in some War Zone If our NSman couldn't even be depended on for doing small, everyday mundane things...... How the HELL could we depend on them to do something more
Coquitlam SG Say what you like but ns is a waste of time.....of course we do not stop those who wants to give their lives for the little red dot but the rest of us have better things to do like leading a normal life.....better yet, I'd suggest that those who can, leave the dot and come join us in much larger better countries...and I stress again, we should just leave those who wants to serve ns....it would be good for the incoming PRCs and Indians from India that they have these people serving ns to protect their asses while the FTs make more money and buy up more properties to invest...kekeke...this is the reality of life....hooray for ns so that these people have something to do...
Coquitlam SG Originally posted by hloc: But thats the problem...... If S'porean themselves believe that NS is Slavery, who would feel honoured [b]We serve our part in NS, no matter how big or small our part is. We serve our time in NS because our Father & elder Brothers did the same. We serve because after our ROD. Some other Sons from some other Father will be doing the same for us..... Do we need a WAR with our Neighbours to make life less mundane for our NSman Would our NSman only feel important if they spent sometime in some War Zone If our NSman couldn't even be depended on for doing small, everyday mundane things...... How the HELL could we depend on them to do something more [/b]That's why many of us are not hanging around to find out if we can depend on them.....like one forumer said earlier, if you make ns optional, just guess the percentage that will serve willingly...those are the ones you can depend on....how many of them?????....hmmmm many no more than a battalion strong
ispyyy SG National service is just like insurance... It does not serve its main purpose if there is no war.... insurance does not serve its main purpose if there is no mishap happen on you... However, if there is a war, it really depends on what we r fighting for ... Officers worry on the reasons of war... Coz, their life is at stake if their men is not convinced in the action....
Rock^Star SG NS slavery a not, it all boils down to how we view our country. Are we proud of Singapore? Can we beat our chest and declare loudly to foreign friends that we love being Singaporeans? In my opinion, pride in one's country is closely linked to the governance of it as well. How many Malaysian Chinese would stay to defend Malaysia if she were attacked? How many Taiwanese would stay to defend so that Ah Bian may execute his crazy seperatist ideas? How many want seperation? Going by the last poll, it seems only half. How many Singaporeans would stay to defend this homeland and after a victorious war, continue having to face ministers who pay themselves millions, relentless increase of public costs, national policies forced down our throats etc etc? I say at most half .....would willingly pick up arms and fight. The rest would run along with their family or surrender. Yes, when we protect our country, we also defend our families and friends but at the end of the day, this question also has to be asked: "Who are we defending eventually?" NS is slavery, albeit a more sphisticated type? That is subjective but in no way any lesser as a proper opinion.
