LKY keeps taking lots of public money for himself/his family

last SG · 2007-09-01T16:29:00+00:00

Andrew Yap, since you care so much for Singaporeans, why din you turn up to support the yellow ribbon fair at Changi Prison? Instead you spend your whole d...

Gazelle SG

Are you saying that you do believe what zenden9 is saying?

Spartans SG

With all the blasting on LKY, we need to remember he is the one who led Singapore to where she is today. I really appreciated what LKY had achieved for Singapore and her citizens.

Whether LKY had embezzled any public money we cannot know for sure. But the general consensus is the he did. Now the question is how much? To what extent of the embezzlement?

One thing that can be sure is that LKY had abused his power during his reign. Just look at who are the PM of Singapore now and the Temasek Holding chairwoman.

soul_rage SG

The topic is "LKY keeps taking lots of public money for himself/his family"
as far as I concerned, its ambiguous, and does not necessarily imply that LKY is embezzling public money.

What Andrew is saying is that he is taking lots of public money in YOUR and MY face, which is targeting the ridiculous pay that he is paying himself

soul_rage SG

Actually my questions posed to all pro-PAP supporters are simple:

1. Why are we paying so many times above the market rate?

We all know Bush only earns US$400k per year, and governing a huge country.

All we need is just one 'great' minister here to dwarf Bush's pay. And Singapore is a tiny dot in the world.

Why are we paying 4-5 times more than the market, given that the Govt itself always emphasizes that we should only pay employees up to market conditions?

Why don't we just attract foreign talent from Finland and New Zealand to be our govt, since they are ranked better in the world rankings for their governance, and they are paid much less?

2. What are the achievements that they have attained, which other countries' governments DID NOT attain, that justifies what they are being paid now?

soul_rage SG

I especially like their idea of creating work for themselves

Increase their pay -> Income gap between rich and poor widens
Help the poor -> Income gap between rich and poor narrows
Increase their pay because they helped the poor -> Income gap widens
Help the poor -> Income gap narrows

The vicious cycle repeats

soul_rage SG

How to be self-sufficient and independent, when your pay is intentionally being oppressed to lower levels than most developed countries, so that the Govt can attract more foreign investment?

Low monthly pay and high bonuses (if you ever believe in that high bonus part), is one of their gimmicks, and is used by most of the Singapore companies.

You get the investments coming in, the country gets more reserves, but they don't flow down to you.

And nay, am not planning for kids coz this is too stifling a society

soul_rage SG

how is 2.7 to 3.3 fiction when its reported in the papers???
Sheesh Rolling Eyes

soul_rage SG

Do you know what is other countries' income?

If you want to think this way, then do a proper comparison by comparing the incomes of other countries and the pay given to their governments, versus our country and the pay given to our government.

But then, there's also budget surplus and budget deficit policies in this world, and both are all sound policies

eagle SG

1) LKY was the one who said in an article written by him that he prefers to draw foreign talent to run the government. He commented about his government at that time; mostly not from Singapore.

2) What achievements have they attained? LOTS!
I shall list some examples:

ERP
COE
HDB

Good or bad is debatable.

(human) SG

Nepotism is just infront of us. The problem is can anyone confront them and win in the local jurdicial court where the judges are all appointed by them. I don't think so. That's why i think Francis Seow was trying to seek help from foreign power.

de_middle SG

that's the purpose of GRC Laughing

(human) SG

GRC means more harm than good. If it's not abolished, Singaporeans will carry on suffering the vicious cycle.

soul_rage SG

You can remove HDB and CPF because that was the old guard's idea. I would not include any ideas from the 1st generation.

ERP, COE, whether that justifies their pay, I leave it to the onlookers to assess themselves.

What else in that famous list? Ahhh.... annuities.... Very Happy

soul_rage SG

But that would mean the PAP will suffer.

Trump_Card SG

They reasoned in the social studies textbook that GRC is enacted so as to have a minority representation in parliament ... I have no problems with 3-4 person per GRC

But how the hell it expanded to 5 or 6 men , I guess we know the answer ...

(human) SG

GRC is a game rule that is set by the ruling party, thus an advantage to ruling party never the oppositions.

(human) SG

33.3% of voters voted for oppositions. Why we did not see 33.3% of the 84 seats in parliament go to oppositions? It’s because of this unfair game rule set by ruling party.

soul_rage SG

I have problems with a GRC

Its something no other countries have.

Heck... I have problems even with a 80 plus parliament

Why do we need to feed so many mouths, (and with a number of them caught sleeping in parliament, including Wong Kan Seng), when we are such a small country?

Of coz the reasons for having a 80 plus parliament, we all know, but we cannot say because this is PAP at its best. Open secrets Smile

Trump_Card SG

Ya ... Sometimes they play GRC to their full advantage ... Blackmailing the voters with the possibility of losing a minister for that constituency if they vote the opposition ...

reddressman SG

Well , it is arguable if the parliament representation is fair for the 33.3% support for the Opposition because the Majority of PEOPLE are ok with this situation.

Singapore is really based on the People. We have elections. Did anything happened to the 33.3% who opposed? 33.3% support for Opposition but only 3/85 (or so) seats taken up. This situation is what the people want, for now.

The People have spoken.
Dun believe , take a Poll . How you want to do it is not my parsar.

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