All Singaporeans are sheeps. Ready for the slaughter!

reyes SG

Uproar is just an uproar.
The changes, annuity hasn't been implemented, so how can it be "worse than before".
How do you know it is worse than before.
Bear in mind 66.6% are superpro PAP supporters, the rest 33.3% are only probably not happy with the PAP, out of which only a handful come on to sgF and complain. The few regular PAP bashers are not representative of the 33.3%. Just as Al Qaeda is not representative of all Muslims.
So how do you justify your assertion that the monk prophesy is accurate.

what a joke.
1.do you consider walkover as sure 100% PAP supporters.
2 you can also presume those who supporter the PAP are because it is CSJ in their area and not WP in their area.
3. is your philopshy of work is such that you only do countermeasure when problems happens. dont you plan or study in advance of the possibility of problems?

4. what i can deduce from this forums why there are more PAP bashers and PAP supporters is because the bashers know what they bashing for and the supporters cant find a reason to support the PAP thus remain quiet.
Mr. Green

reyes SG

Originally posted by SuperProPAP:

I am in the bloody SAF lor, you don't come here and talk @&*^. All my married colleagues voted for the PAP including me. For me I like the pap so no problem but those guys voted because they don't want their promotion, flat application to be affected. What about you? Which sector you from? If you are not from the government sector you better shuddap.

bro dont worry, i use to be a regular in the navy as well. been casting my vote for the opposition even CSJ. got my promotion and at the last year even reject promotion because i had to extend 6 mths. its time for you to realise singapore arent that corrupt and you should not live in fear. your believe is urban legend, and young ppl like yourself shouldnt be so ignorant.
i ORD in year 2000 and now working as a regional sales manager. live might not be better outside but it doesn wider your general knowledge and perspective of view.

dont ask PPL to shutup, i dont think support PAP will give you faster promotion. maybe it time for you to work in private sector and get out those SAF urban legand stuff.

reyes SG

I sign on 6 yrs in the Navy. Work as a tech onboard a PC (patrol craft), P70 RSS FREEDOM, under 182 SQN in the Navy. ROD in 1998. Work for SMRT as a Train Officer since then..... before SMRT IPO.... consider under Govt also.....

I voted for PAP no because I'm scare of of them doing things to me.... but because I dislike CSJ's party. If it was WP in my area during the last election.... It would then be a hard choice.

So you think that only you work in the government sector.... Grow up lah boy

I'm suppose to 'Burn In Hell' if I don't believe in Christ or some other God..... but that didn't stop me from being a free thinker..... Therefore don't use - "don't want their promotion, flat application to be affected" - as an excuse of your own inability to get what you wanted.

U think ppl who fought for their RIGHTS got it easy Most are dead or in lock-up. If you really have guts to stand for your rights..... then tell your officer to fu*k off about your rank & promotion. Its so sad to see a grown man KPKB and then use the same old excuse. U and ur friend made the choice of chosing your promotion and housing over your RIGHTS...... then who to blame Sign up with the Devil and Burn in Hell...... it is your own choice at the END.

BTW...... in the forum.... no one need to shut up. All have a Right to his/her views.

bro, you are my senior. i serve in one of the MCVs .ORD in 2000. even though you vote for the PAP but at least you know what you are doing. for that i respect that. in SAF it dont link promotion to politics. i still serve my reservist, country and i dont link SAF to PAP.

time for some young regulars to grow up and realise it.
frankly i think the younger regulars these days are more naive than my days.

mancha SG

SuperProPAP,
Those in the government sector are grown adults.
If they are afraid, whose fault is it?
If your neighbour is afraid of you, and therefore he vote for the PAP, because of you, whose fault is it?
Would they feel any different, about their prospects, if the PM is Chee Soon Juan?
They are cowards, and they vote in a cowardly fashion.
Same goes for the few civil servants who vote in this fashion.

You vote your choice, many also vote according to their judgement. Some vote on heresay, some rumours, some on hate. But whatever the reason, still 66% of the vote casted goes to the PAP. The opposition have their officials invigilating at the elections too. So why the beef when the PAP win.
Do these civil servants want special consideration when they vote?
What if their choice, like yours, is the PAP?
Did you not consider that?
Or any civil servant who votes PAP votes because of "employment prospects". IOW, all civil servants definite to vote for opposition but cannot because....blah blah.

Do you hold the view that all those who vote PAP are sheep, ready for the slaughter?
Are not the black sheep in our society, also in a way, sheep?

royston_ang SG

The serial number on ballot papers and recording of voter's registration number made it traceable as to which party I have voted in the election. Therefore, despite the reassurance of ballot secrecy, if I am a civil servant with my job, housing, promotion at stake, I may have probably voted for PAP too to be safe.

mancha, if you are in that position, will you risk everything you have just to vote with a clear conscience? Rolling Eyes

qlqq9 SG

Hi, SuperProPAP, he is a kid still studying. Don't know at that moment when he read this forum what was on his mind, strange.

qlqq9 SG

After election, I asked the friends and relatives working in govt sector, they said they voted for PAP for fear.

mancha SG

Originally posted by royston_ang:

The serial number on ballot papers and recording of voter's registration number made it traceable as to which party I have voted in the election. Therefore, despite the reassurance of ballot secrecy, if I am a civil servant with my job, housing, promotion at stake, I may have probably voted for PAP too to be safe.

mancha, if you are in that position, will you risk everything you have just to vote with a clear conscience? Rolling Eyes

Firstly lets look at the type government we have.
Ours is never a government with a secret police that round up any dissident at will. Forumers here that spout derogatory remarks against the government and the PAP are still around to continue to do so, atest to that.

Saddam Hussein commanded a 100% mandate from the people of Iraq. If I were in a situation as Iraq during Saddam Hussein's time, I would vote with sense.

But this is Singapore.
There are no secrets in Singapore. When LHL first wife died just after giving birth, the whole of Singapore knew what exactly happened within 2 days.
So how can anyone in Singapore dig up the ballots, look for a particular serial number, without your friend's friend brother, or neighbour knowing about it. It is a political nuclear disaster, if it is ever leaked out that anyone has even attempted to go near the boxes.
Civil servants, who have any clout at all, are educated way above yokels, know that they can vote as they wish with impunity, and no one would know how they voted.
I believe in the system, therefore I will vote the party I want to vote for.

A vote for the PAP is a vote cast in fear, a vote for the SDP must be a genuine vote.
Is that your take?

maurizio13 SG

With the technological advancement these days, it's not too difficult to attach a small IR or UV camera to a table lamp, the camera would be capable of reading things not visible to the naked eye.

There is no need to use archaic methods of breaking open ballot boxes.

Mr. Green

royston_ang SG

Forumer/ blogger are responsible for whatever they write in forum/ blog, as the gov may take action against the forumer/ blogger for the remark made. Which is why Singaporeans practice self-censorship for whatever remark they made to protect themselves.

As to LHL wife died just after giving birth, I don't see why the need to make that a secret? Is it top-secret? Laughing

There's no secret in Singapore, how do you know? It wouldn't be a secret if you do, right? Rolling Eyes

Civil servants are educated but when everything they have are at stake, anyone will think twice regardless of their education level. Especially the higher position you are, the greater the stake.

I have no idea if a vote for PAP is out of fear or a genuine vote, but unless the election department of Singapore stop recording ballot paper with the voter's registration number, we will never know. Confused

mancha SG

You did not get the point about no secrets in Singapore.
Singapore is a small place, and news travel fast.
Somebody always know somebody else's somebody.
And people talk.

So vote tracing cannot be done covertly.

The Fear Factor of the civil servants is largely an exaggeration of the detractors of the government electoral system, rather than the actual fear of the civil servants themselves.
Civil servants are more intelligent than presumed to be.

googoomuck SG

What is the purpose of having serial numbers on the ballot paper?

maurizio13 SG

I don't know how true is this.

But do you remember the recent election, the issue regarding Mr. Ling How Doong. He came out from the counting center stating that they put the ballot paper under a lamp for an abnormally long period of time. Mr. Ling also said, he does not know why the lamps were there, because the hall was brightly lit without the lamps (I think he said even a blind man can see).

Another issue is about redrawing of the constituency boundary, they keep changing it, suspect that they know the voters ballot, that's why they shift the boundaries to get better margins.

But these are pure speculation, only circumstantial.

eagle SG

So you believe everything you read in the freaking pro-PAP govt controlled newspaper?

They tell you it is good means it is good? Well done! You are as smart as LHL's son! Mr. Green

royston_ang SG

I think you have mixed up gossip and secret. Gossip and rumor travel fast, but secret don't. Laughing

I already stressed that I have no idea how much influence the fear factor have on the civil servant, unless removal of recording ballot serial number with voter registration number to ensure true confidentiality of the voter's vote.

hloc SG

Many here prefer gossip and half truth. Since my Navy's days, this must vote for PAP rumor had long been around..... Mainly those ppl who didn't get their promotion will use it as an excuse to 'comfort' themselve why didn't they get a higher rank.

As to why there is a registration number on each vote...... IMHO, it is so as to check if there really is a voter.... example - the total number of voter in this area is 100. But the total number of votes is beyond that.... lets say 105. Who the heck are this five person Question With registration number, both the Opps and the Govt could now trace the names, and find out who & which are the false vote.

Troy437 SG

very simple. to make sure the ballet papers are real and authentic when counting votes.
If no serial number, you make copy & make fake ones, and vote as many time as you want.
If no serial number, You issue 100 ballet paper. Dun be surprised you get more than 100 ballet paper in the vote box.
Like our curency, no serial number, counterfeits syndicate suka suak print.
get the idea?

hloc SG

Originally posted by royston_ang:

The serial number on ballot papers and recording of voter's registration number made it traceable as to which party I have voted in the election. Therefore, despite the reassurance of ballot secrecy, if I am a civil servant with my job, housing, promotion at stake, I may have probably voted for PAP too to be safe.

mancha, if you are in that position, will you [b]risk everything you have just to vote with a clear conscience? Rolling Eyes [/b]

So what do u think the PAP Govt can do to you Question Demote u overnight Take away your HDB flat Ur ERP or COE is higher Deny u children a place at school Or send someone killed you WHAT ARE U SCARE OFF Exclamation

U are acting in FEAR of something that is not proven at all. All are just rumor spoken in whisper. Why the Hell as a grown person would you be scare Question What is the worst they could do to you Are you telling me that civil servant gets promotion only after a election year..... on any other years there isn't any promotion

Atobe SG

Not all Singaporeans are sheep - except for a Singapore Gazelle wearing some macho-sheep is always eveready to be slaughtered.

hloc SG

Originally posted by Atobe:

Not all Singaporeans are sheep - except for a Singapore Gazelle wearing some [b]macho-sheep is always eveready to be slaughtered.

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Atobe... with all due respect, I've always consider you a fair-minded person. U have always been able to support your views with facts & figures.... and also your great master of English. Mr. Green

But this 'War' between U and Gazelle must stop lah. Most ppl who read and wrote here already knows fully well what type of person Gazelle or even the MIA OxfordMushroom is..... there isn't a point to all this name calling.

And if Gazelle could just stop the name calling him/herself. Sometimes he/she have also a few good pointer or idea. Pls remember we are not CLONES..... non of us could agree on everything. Thats why we must learn to - ''Agree to disagree'' - Mr. Green

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