Do you think a uni education is a worthwhile investment ?

last SG · 2007-07-30T10:34:37+00:00

hey man this is how the world spins. Paper qualification is very important in asian countries, but not in western countries. In some advance countries, as U...

iLuVpOrKyPiG SG

it doesnt guarantee employment.

soul_rage SG

in life, there is almost never any guarantee for anything

The odds are stacked against you when you want a guarantee, becoz the risk of guarantee will be calculated and laid on you.

sgdiehard SG

How do you know you have the knowledge if you fail your exams and don't get any paper at all? Mr. Green

Icemoon SG

Actually I'd say the education at JC level is more rigorous. I think it is easier to score in uni than in JC, comparing GP with the arts and humanities subjects. Laughing

Sorry to say, those who believe a uni is a place to build up your knowledge and thinking ability are losers. They say this because they couldn't list out anything noteworthy, hence the motherhood statement.

IMHO, a uni is a place for opportunities. Screw the modules; most of them will not make an impact on your life. What will make an impact on your life are

1. Friends. Some of the best friendships are forged during uni days.

2. Pool of talents. Uni is a place where smart people congregate. The top talents mostly go to the top unis, where they learn under world-class faculty.

3. Internship Programme. For example, NUS Overseas College. Students work full time in a silicon valley startup and study part time, for a year.

4. Incubation. Good if you want to start your own business.

5. Networking. Similar to 1, but whereas 1 is 'personal', this one is 'business'. Your networks might not be your good friends, but they can hyperlink you to further opportunities.

With these points in mind, it is not hard to imagine why Sergy and Brian, Gates, Jobs and all the uni dropouts can succeed in life. Wink

Icemoon SG

'cos he has applied the knowledge and succeed?

for example, how does an engineer know he has the knowledge? by building a bridge with it and the bridge doesn't collapse. Laughing

Icemoon SG

there is something that is guaranteed - death.

soul_rage SG

that's why I said life.

aside from the end of it all, what is there that is guaranteed?

guarantee to in my opinion is just an illusion

InnoHippo SG

uni education is becoming a luxury item Neutral

Gazelle SG

Originally posted by soul_rage:
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Knowledge is power.

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I guess you are still be living in the pre-internet age huh? Mr. Green

Icemoon SG

haha .. death only has meaning when there is life in the first place. Twisted Evil

Icemoon SG

That one was spoken by Francis Bacon.

So he is living before the Scientific Revolution, 1/2 a millennium ago. Laughing

soul_rage SG

welcome back Gazelle

I was wondering where you have gone.

And no, this saying, that knowledge is power, is even more relevant now in the internet age.

soul_rage SG

or is it the other way round?

Life only has meaning when there is death in the first place?

Gazelle SG

You mind telling us what is it so, when informations are so easily available on the internet and it is free? And what makes you knowlegde more powerful than others? Mr. Green

snobbish SG

Lets assume a degree course costs 25k.. 25k can mostly be earned back in a year…..

soul_rage SG

precisely coz information is now even more readily available, that people now have the ease of access to such information to make informed decisions

He who controls the media controls knowledge. And that's why our media is being so tightly controlled.

For example, with the rise of Internet (another sort of media), people now have access to information outside of Singapore, and thus have more abilities to make more informed decisions or opinions of our Govt.

Gazelle SG

Knowledge is Power : If everybody have the same knowledge and have access to the same informations and database, than how can you say you will still have power over others?

Is our media so tightly controlled? How often do you encounter website that are blocked by our government?

soul_rage SG

well am talking about our local media, which is ranked low in the world in terms of media freedom. Control of internet? Some minister tried before and failed.

And so what if you have access to the same info and database? You must be able to find the relevant info and use it. People can get overwhelmed if they are thrown too much at one go. We are given the same textbooks during our studies, doesn't mean that everyone will perform equally.

But ya I agree, perhaps we should have an explanation to the saying, that the ability to wield knowledge is the key to strength.

I am very willing to share my knowledge to others, coz I know not everyone can wield the information given to them in the same way. A person can be given a secret manual, but if he doesn't have the ability to apply, its useless to him.

Gazelle SG

1) Can you explain how local media freedom will affect your ability to gain knowledge and enrich yourself and be succesful in your career after your graduation?

2) Without knowing what others knew, how can you assuming that your knowledge is more superior than others?

3) Do you think you are capable for buiding a nuke bomb or arrange a piece of concerto if i provide you with the "secret" manual?

soul_rage SG

1) I thought we were moving into discussions of overall knowledge, not about career success.

2) No I did not say my overall knowledge is superior than others. I just said that the things I know for my area are far superior than others based on my performance, which is a clear KPI to indicate I am better. But yes, I need to clarify, thanks for reminding me

3) Based on 2, yup I won't know, coz I can't wield the info in those areas since I am not good in those areas Smile So there you have it, you can have the information, but if you cannot wield it, then its useless Smile

PS are we moving out of topic? if so appreciate you and I take this debate out of this thread.

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