S'pore's leadership not inferior to old guards

last SG · 2007-08-07T14:46:53+00:00

The increase in salary corresponds to the income increase in the private sector and then less. Increase in medical bills are essential to keep standards up....

BillyBong SG

We can't even identify a law minister to replace Professor S Jayakumar, nvm our multi-tasking PM.

will4 SG

The search to replace him is still on, right? Smile

qlqq9 SG

old Lee advertising for the gang. Advertisements as they are but not every product is effect and well received by consumers.

Say what he wants, we have eyes, ears and hearts to observe and experience their lacklustre leadership. Mr. Green

Laughable old Lee! Does that mean his beloved son is damn up to par as PM as other capable PMs from other countries? He made overstatement to make us all laugh!! Wake up PAP, wake up old Lee! We are not 3 year old kids to be taken in by what you said, Mr Lee K Y!

eagle SG

those are just examples.

So what is your example of good?

Do we need to list out policies for you that could be better? Do you really think that unpopular policies are necessary for the 'good' of the people because Singaporeans cannot think? Do you think that it will really be a 'freak' election result if the opposition wins? Do you think that you will get monkeys if you pay peanuts?

eagle SG

1) Raise GST = rise in tax = reduced expenditure = economy drop more due to multiplier effect

So overall, GST may not even bring about an increase in tax revenue... because spending on luxury goods will definitely drop. In the end, most of what people will spend on may most likely be necessary goods, which all, including both rich and poor, will have to spend. Which means => the poor will suffer more than the rich because they wouldn't be buying much luxury goods in the first place => the poor's expenditure cannot be reduced much, unlike the rich.

So how much can GST hike, as our dear govt has said, help even out the income gap, and gives more revenue to help the poor?

2) Pay check rise => financed by GST hike so that the budget at the end of the year does not look that bad?

Employers' CPF contribution have not yet risen to pre-1997 level of 20%, but minister pay is already higher than pre-1997.... This is like WOW!

sir sickolot II SG

just a thought about the GST hike and thus a drop in consumer spending leading to a shrinking of the economy...

there are many factors affecting consumption and so it's not really meaningful to state as a whole spending on luxury goods may drop due to a 2 point hike in GST. Other factors like increased affluence, different sales tactics in response to a rise in GST may actually curb the drop in total spendings as an economy.

Personally, i prefer an increase in GST than an increase in Income Tax. Then again, no tax is better!!!

Cheers

qlqq9 SG

Mat Toro, you have so much to say and made the above suggestion then go go ahead to join old Lee in his "advertising campaign" to sell the lacklustre PAP. It is futile for you to come here to debate, makes unuseful suggestion and create nuisance to the people here. If you join the old Lee for his "advertising campaign" he may make you his "right hand" man, and then your left hand will be useless and lacklustre like them, ha ha ha!!! VEry funny! Mr. Green Laughing

When are you going to stop entertaining us, ha ha ha, hee hee hee and instead divert your attention to entertain the PAP!

rooki SG

Originally posted by Mat Toro:
He has his own benchmarks, take it or leave it. Its his opinion.

And because he is Der Führer, he gets to impose his views and opinions on the populace.

Originally posted by Mat Toro:
Both these takes courage my fren.
They did the right things inspite of you complaining and hating them. Thats the mark of a great leaders.

Who is to define what is right or wrong? Them leaders?
Laughing

Sir, may I suggest you take those feudalistic attitudes of yours and put them where they ought to belong. Like maybe the inner recesses of your anus.

Daddy!! SG

Has anyone REALLY tried to piece all the policies together to make sense of things going on? Perhaps it is ONE story and not many individual stories ?

If you are able to piece the information into ONE story, you get a multi million dollar answer. Because many people are wondering about the effect of the IR's completion on their private condos' prices. Very Happy Shocked Rolling Eyes Evil or Very Mad Mad

googoomuck SG

He who takes from Ah Beng to pay Ah Kow can depend on the support of Ah kow.
Some great leaders are great because of this.

googoomuck SG

How about Francis Seow? OK he had a fall out with LKY.
However, for the sake of the nation, let bygones be bygones.
For the sake of the nation !

Mat Toro SG

Originally posted by rooki:
And because he is Der Führer, he gets to impose his views and opinions on the populace.

Wrong my fren, he did not impose his views on anyone, he is only giving his opinion. Just like you also have your opinion and others are also entitled to their opinion. The real problem is, you are not open to other ppl's opinion and want to discredit it unfairly.

Who is to define what is right or wrong? Them leaders?

Who? You?

Sir, may I suggest you take those feudalistic attitudes of yours and put them where they ought to belong. Like maybe the inner recesses of your an

Dear sir, may I suggest you stop all those bigotry of yours and open your mind. You are too biased with hatred. You can't even think clearly.

rooki SG

Open yours too. The government isn't always right, retard.

Mat Toro SG

Yes, I am aware that the govt is not always right.
I for one do not agree to having Ho Ching heading Temasek at all.
But on most issues, I think the govt is spot on.

robertteh SG

What is leadership, talents, insight, foresight or all the assumptions like meritocracy or contribution of foreign talents?

Are such concepts or assumptions even practicable or are they just some kind of self-promotion to glorify one's oneself?

Is such a leadership system liable to abuse of power where the so-called leader is able to override the wishes of his subjects and even oppress good people who could otherwise contribute to the greater good by their diversities.

Is a leader who keeps talking about his own leadership, vision, foresight and who keeps increasing costs of living by taxing and profiteering on lands and facilities owned by the people a good leader after all?

Is a leader who keep suing his political opponents a good leader who could actively motivate his people to participate in his rule to produce the mass participation in practical knowledge application to benefit all citizens.

Is a leader a good leader who ignored people's complaints for years about malpractices like the nkf or shin corp unwilling to serve them with accountability, procedures, processes, codes of corporate governance, passion, moral uprightness or nobility of spirit?

What kind of leadership qualities did citizens expect from our leaders today ?

Despite many years of such rhetorics, what we are seeing is a system of legalistic wrangling of laws and regulations aimed at taxing and recovering fullest costs depriving people of essential services in housing, transportation, utilities and medical care.

The ordinary citizens are suffering from dropping wages, unemployments with the domestic economy being heavily squeezed out of their survival by government's getting into businesses of all sorts to compete with its own citizens.

What happen to all the talents of our own citizens or do we have no talents?

The Asian Financial crisis has exposed self-centredness as the ultimate cause of financial instability.

Why is it that during the Asian Financial crisis none of our so-called second generation or present team of ministers were able to take action to restructure the economy but instead were seen as blaming the crisis on the people and not their inability to motivate the people due to their own individualism and self-centredness resulting in malpractices in all the NKF going on in so many organizations.

Apparently something has gone wrong with the team since ministers like Dr. Goh Keng Swee or Lim Kim San, Dr. Toh Chin Chye have left the scene being retired early for perhaps deeper reason like being unable to get along with our supremely self-centred leader.

In the fast-paced age of technology, we need leaders who could command the whole organization and population to use their respective leadership and talent to produce maximum results instead of giving excuses and denying problems like NKF or Nicol Highway collapse instead of self-glorifying bigots who only talk about policies and hardly able to translate them into coordinated work processes to reach results.

We need leaders who talk less but are more committed to down-to-earth broad-based technology and knowledge application by the masses.

We need leaders who could translate diverse challenges and decisions into attainable work processes which allow staff to take actions with broad-based knowledge application and teamwork.

We need to leaders who could solve the "20 major major government policy errors" as posted to the Feedback Unit since 2002.

We need ministers and civil servants who could take comprehensive actions to restructure the economy to value-adding technology-driven economy talked about for years.

eagle SG

You mean pay rise for ministers is spot on?

GST is definitely necessary for the future, to finance any so called projects for the poor?

Imposing a barrier for singaporeans to enter the casino is good because we cannot think for ourselves?

The media has no right to criticize the government?

That it is a 'freak' election result if opposition wins more seats?

That CPF isn't raised back to pre 1997 levels while minister pay is higher than pre 1997 levels?

Lin Yu SG

such as increasing GST to help the poor?
Laughing

eagle SG

Try discrediting LKY's 'opinions' in the newspaper. He doesn't 'impose'. You just have to accept.

I have to give credit to him in many matters, but definitely not all. LKY and the old guards are good and popular; they have proved themselves worthy. But to compare the current batch with them... as good, just no combat experience... that's another story... It's not like LKY hasn't judge people wrongly before... Time will only tell whether his statements are right... but by then, he won't be here to see it

rooki SG

Accept or be sued? Mr. Green

Or can you only silently seethe inside yourself, not daring to make your contrary opinions known except in an anonymous setting like this forum for fear of recrimination?

Do his opinions carry more weight because he was supposedly one of the 'founding fathers' of Singapore?
(Read up on 'appeal to authority')

eagle SG

Wait.... How sure are you that this forum is anonymous? Laughing

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