ST and Govt out of touch with American Politics

last SG · 2007-07-19T09:34:50+00:00

Repeat after me monkey brain: "Ad Hominen attacks do not constitute an argument."

Mat Toro SG

FN and QL cannot reason and debate, need to turn to personal attacks again.

cheers

qlqq9 SG

what did QL attack you in the last few posts? Prove it!!

walesa SG

Come back after you've got your GCSE pass in English.

Wrong. If anything, North Korea shows you the regime could still have survived. And obviously, Reagan winning the Cold War against the communists is nothing more than a romantic notion of idiots like you.

He was no more influential than I (or millions of others who directly/indirectly injected cash into the American coffers) who spent money on McDonald's or Coca-Cola, who in turn contributed to the American reserves through taxes.
If you even get my drift, that is. Laughing

Of course you don't. That's why you aren't running the DPRK. Laughing

You needn't see anything great - that's not necessary. I'm sure you're an integral reason as to why this regime is so desperate to woo locals who have emigrated (or are believed to be potential emigrants) and making a comfortable living elsewhere. After all, with more gnomes like you around with neither the basic ability to comprehend simple logic nor the coherent ability to reason and analyse rationally, what hope is there counting on you to sustain this regime? Laughing

maurizio13 SG

I think he cannot prove again.

maurizio13 SG

Laughing

qlqq9 SG

He is just here to attract attention.

qlqq9 SG

wow, great reponse from walsea!

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

This is what Mat Toro is essentially trying to say:

I did not service my car for decades, then suddenly it breaks down.

Mat Toro comes along and claims he's responsible for causing it to break down.

Mat Toro SG

Ahahahahah............. two goons teaming up to focus on insulting me.

cheers

maurizio13 SG

Think you are arithmetically challenged too. At last count, there are definitely more than 5 forumers against your ridiculous logic.

miserable SG

[quote]Originally posted by Mat Toro:
[b]

Again you showed your ignorance so openly. Turnaround of the US economy took place right under Reagan's policies of tax cuts.
Real economic growth averaged 3.2 percent during the Reagan years versus 2.8 percent during the Ford-Carter years and 2.1 percent during the Bush-Clinton years.
Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.

Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency.

The only economic variable that was worse in the Reagan period than in both the pre- and post-Reagan years was the savings rate, which fell rapidly in the 1980s. The productivity rate was higher in the pre-Reagan years but much lower in the post-Reagan years.

Now yu really showed you dunno US economics and politics.
The very Clinton policies were proven to be destructive as it resulted in a recession that was turned around soon after Bush jr. did his tax cuts. The taxes were the killer of the economy.

Errr.....sorry to disturb you. Mate,I think you are mistaken that US President do not actually run the US economical policies. As a matter of fact, US economic policies is basically run by the FED (Federal Reserve) which is the Central Bank. The FED is an independent federal government agency.

During Reagan years, the FED was headed by Mr Paul Volcker (1979-1987). He was nominated, by President Carter, as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. Volcker's Fed is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s by limiting the growth of the money supply, abandoning the previous policy of targeting interest rates. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983 and has remained low ever since. The change in policy contributed to the significant recession the U.S. economy experienced in the early 1980s, which included the highest unemployment levels since the Great Depression. And of course, he is also partly responsible for the 1987 market Crash.

After Volcker, then came my idol Mr Alan Greenspan Laughing . He was norminated in 1987 by President Reagan. Mr Alan Greenspan hold his ofice from Aug 1987 - Jan 2006. During his period at the FED, Mr Alan Greenspan never publicly commented what algorithms or inflation and unemployment targets the fed uses in setting the interest rate. Yet, over the years he built credibility in the financial markets that he was willing to fight inflation. The flexibility permitted him to affect the economy by, say, lowering interest rates in order to fight a recession while his credibility made it possible to do this without shocking the bond market.

These are the 2 person that had direct influence on the US economy then and not so much of the Presidents. ( Reagan, Snr Bush, Clinton, Jnr Bush )

Mr. Green

Mat Toro SG

Wow that nice. You are just one of those goons. I collect goons like you.

cheers

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

So says the idiot who riddles his arguments in numerous threads with so many fallacious arguments, has the audacity to proclaim what he says as gospel truth, and so on.

Go cry at one corner for being a disgrace to whatever university or school or country you come from.

Mat Toro SG

So says the arrogant forumner who can't debate, is intolerant of others, uses big words and look down on local graduates, then focus on insults once he lost a debate.

cheers

Arapahoe SG

Maybe I watch too much History channel. But here's a quote from Brookings Insitution. As quoted.

Historians and scholars with the benefit of time and a measure of detachment will provide the authoritative judgments concerning what Mr. Clinton has accomplished, what was left undone

another pcs of sentence i thought it would be of your interest. Laughing

It's clear that the president's supporters and his detractors are hard at work seeking to shape the way historians will remember him, as is the president himself. In some ways, one of the defining characteristics of Mr. Clinton's legacy may be the self-consciousness of its pursuit

Even as an observer it doesn;t take a rocket scientist to read and learned the different perspective its all over the net.

You r interested in my gender? Laughing

And i would not put down former chairman of Fed Allan Greenspan over Bill seriously.

Arapahoe SG

Originally posted by walesa:

[b]What you've just posted is more than sufficient to debunk your initial drivel about your seemingly flippant stance on "the future foreign policy that needs attention will be coming out from Africa and the middle east".

No. this is your conclusion. My perspective to Africa and middle east stand from the current situation in resources, political, and threat assesment.

So what would you rather have and which side of the fence would you rather be on now that you've done your belated research on the Clinton administration's efforts in Africa and the Middle East? Instead of conceding the Clinton administration actually not having done anything for Africa, you're now saying they just haven't [b]done enough, eh?[/b] Laughing

I choose to quote the speech from Fullbright a friendly neutral critics of Bill. But the point is even with a friendly environment the remarks that describe Bill remain unchanged he make no impact. But for show case. I am not sitting on any side, but simply to say that I would not put Bill on High note. And would certainly HOLD ON putting him beside FDR. (The person that i quote wrote a biography of FDR) Mr. Green

So is Hillary's efforts still hindered by her association with a President who did more than any previous administrations since the second world war for a region you regard to be important as far as the next administration's foreign policy goes? Or are you unable to make up your mind and need further research to ascertain millions of Americans' fixation on a President who left office with the third highest approval ratings in history?

aiyoo Who is having a fixation on Bill.... I am not the one that is defending him Laughing

I still believe that Hiliary campaign will be affected, if she win the primary washington politics will creep up. All other topics on accomplishment on Bill as said it is still debatable.

While his foreign policies were, broadly speaking, extensively all-encompassing, the degrees of his successes were invariably different. It's not rocket science it wouldn't be realistic every foreign policy endeavour he pursued would have resulted in success on the scale of the [b]Good Friday Agreement he had in Northern Ireland, would it? Or is it too complex for you to understand, by the law of averages, policies would invariably yield different measures of success? Or is your world blinded by the excessive monochromes that you can't actually look past success and failure in absolute terms, and perhaps understand that policies that aren't totally successful are hardly abject failures?[/b]

[/b]
listen you don't have to bring up his accomplishment one at a time, He was in the office for 8 years, the most powerful jobs on this planet got to do something useful. Laughing The thing isn';t about saying success in absolute term, the point is there is no impact on the issue he work on.

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

I do look down on some local graduates, such as yourself, who don't use his brain.

So yes, I am arrogant, and intolerant of fools and I am loathe to suffer them. And you, I have come to regard, as a fool. Someone to be despised and loathed and would be happy to send you to the gulags if not for the fact I wasn't Stalin.

And no, you used insults first, and I held back for a long while till it became clear you were back pedalling and refusing to back up your statements with balanced articles.

And yes, just where are those self-proclaimed polls you made? We have been waiting for them for pages upon pages ago.

Mat Toro SG

Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:
I do look down on some local graduates, such as yourself, who don't use his brain.

I beat you in debate many times over, does that mean you have no brain?
I just proved that foreign grads can be brainless according to FN's logic.

So yes, I am arrogant, and intolerant of fools and I am loathe to suffer them. And you, I have come to regard, as a fool. Someone to be despised and loathed and would be happy to send you to the gulags if not for the fact I wasn't Stalin..

I knew it. all leftists and liberals are like that. They cry about freedom of speech yet are intolerant and don't believe in giving others freedom to speak. Want to jail me in communist gulag some more. Aiyah so sad dik.

And no, you used insults first, and I held back for a long while till it became clear you were back pedalling and refusing to back up your statements with balanced articles.

Not me sir, its you who started it once you realise you were debunked.

And yes, just where are those self-proclaimed polls you made? We have been waiting for them for pages upon pages ago.

What polls?

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Perhaps you can tell me what this logic is because you have not described the cause and effect here. Moreover, I have yet to understand what I have said can be used for anything.

And it also proves to me, that you are a local graduate, and you cannot possibly be working in the United States as an analyst. It is near impossible for one to be working in the US on a local degree, more so when it comes to even advising local politicians. Simply put, you are a liar and a PAP hack.

Don't you dare call me a liberal. I despise extreme left liberals, those damn hippies.

And also you, are using the shield of freedom of speech to cover your stupidity which has become an eyesore on this forum, and I am not the only one to have found it asinine. Only idiots cry "freedom of speech" to protect their sorry asses.

Not me sir, its you who started it once you realise you were debunked.

Debunked? Where? All I see is more strawman arguments, more cherrypicking, and a reluctance to bring up real articles, instead of wikipedia, which is an alliance of fools and I have been reluctant to use that as a source. The fact that you broke the key tenets of debate from the start means it was gloves off.

What polls?

Why, what short memory you have. Further reinforcing my belief that you aren't an analyst after all.

Mat Toro SG

Perhaps you can tell me what this logic is because you have not described the cause and effect here. Moreover, I have yet to understand what I have said can be used for anything.

neither did i understand what you said. where is you cause and effect to back up your claim my fren?

And it also proves to me, that you are a local graduate, and you cannot possibly be working in the United States as an analyst. It is near impossible for one to be working in the US on a local degree, more so when it comes to even advising local politicians. Simply put, you are a liar and a PAP hack.

I am a local grad. I also found out that many foreign universities are not as disciplined as local unis. Not only that, the professors use their classes for political indoctrination. Thats why they produced so many lousy grads like you. Thats why US import so many foreign grads into their country.

I did work in the US before but not anymore.
I didn't say i am an analyst working in the US, I said I am working with an associate that does consultancy work for politicians. You see how poor your comprehension is? How can you possibly be a quality grad?

I seriously doubt your boast that you are consultant grade in some MNC. You honestly do not fit the mold. Either that or your employers are fools.

Don't you dare call me a liberal. I despise extreme left liberals, those damn hippies.

You certainly behave like one. You just don't realise it. I am serious.

And also you, are using the shield of freedom of speech to cover your stupidity which has become an eyesore on this forum, and I am not the only one to have found it asinine. Only idiots cry "freedom of speech" to protect their sorry asses.

Even stupid people are entitled to freedom of speech.
The issue now is, you are intolerant of people with different views from yours and try to shut others up. You need to open up my fren and learn to accept and respect others.

Aren't these the tactics you have been using? Keep your comments for yourself sir.

BTW, I graduated from NUS. which foreign university did you graduate from?

« Previous Page Next Page »