Why People Leave SG

last SG · 2007-06-14T17:01:59+00:00

Later our 3 resident stooges will come in to dispute everything, they will claim they have authority over all the relevant issues.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

How come you have stopped replying in detail and resorted to one liners?

The problem is not if cheap PRC talents can go anywhere, is if the locals are given a proper leg up to compete with such incoming talent.

The difference is that the Australian govt. is certainly far behind that of a certain nation when it comes to shortchanging their own citizens when it comes to their foreign talent policy. And unlike that particular nation the Australian govt. actually LISTENS to the voices of its people and can decern between what is irrational racism and fear of the "yellow peril", and what is shortchanging their own citizens for the economic bottom line. On the other hand, a certain nation seems to have embraced FT policies in the same way they did the Stop at Two policy, which is a blind pursuit in total ignorance about the potential disadvantages until it becomes all too clear and then transfer the bulk of the damage done to the common man.

As it stands, it becomes clear which nation is better for locals when it comes to dealing with an influx of cheap labour.

More interestingly, can you make a coherent argument that goes beyond a one-liner or mere hyperbole?

Does your nick of "CannotTahan" refer to reality? That's why you deem it fit to engage in such unproductive one-liner-ing?

CannotTahan SG

how did that certain government short change its local citizens? or is it that some locals are discriminating against these FTs?

sorry, just got an exciting but tiring day.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Please don't be too lazy to read on some of the other posts and threads in here.

At the very least do not be so silly to ask questions to which you know where to find the answers from.

Bottom line, what are the differences between the governments of Australia and Singapore in how they had reacted to the influx of cheap foreign labour and how does it affect the local in both countries?

What are the differences in the ways both nations treat the opinion of the public in regards to this issue?

CannotTahan SG

i just talked to a PRC talent few hours ago. he has a phd in some areas i dont even understand.

i asked him, what does he think of the job market now? must be good, correct ?

surprise surprise. he said, even research and development jobs are being relocated to china. poor chap. placed his bet on singapore and then got stucked.

common guys, give these guys a break. dont keep discussing about how these guys threaten to lower your salaries.

rane SG

Spoke to FTs before and they said the same thing.

LazerLordz SG

CannotTahan sounds like someone I know in another forum.

CannotTahan SG

my parents have no problems with their retirements. singapore's climate is perfect, humid and hot like natural sauna. they could travel to their favorite china destinations every three months.

myself. retirement also no problems

my children. of course also no problems.

thanks to the current government.

Laughing

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Have you suffered a logical disconnect?

Most of the rational critique of the current FT policies do not rest on the FT themselves, but on the implementers of it, the ones who are putting the scheme into action.

At the end of the day, as it has been pointed out these policies are short-term in nature and will eventually burn both locals and FTs alike as things finally have to make a real change as opposed to the myopic, band-aid solutions. But the FT can flee if it does not pan out, it's the local who takes the brunt of the damage.

CannotTahan SG

what is the problem with this. they are not paid for doing nothing.

CannotTahan SG

dont be too negative. there are many things and events which turn out beyond rational expectations.

rane SG

why you misinterpreted my post? why so defensive?

CannotTahan SG

we are most likely second or third generation. our forefathers first. imagine the first generation of chinese migrating out of china, ours settled in singapore and some in australia. ours sell curry puffs and their descendants like us are able to hold many different types of professional positions in singapore, like soul_rage, some even become ministers. what about the descendants of those who migrated to australia, dare you say the same, where are the chinese ministers in australia? what are most of them doing? washing dishes in chinese restaurants?

it is not yours means it is not yours.

CannotTahan SG

sorry. i did not mean to sound defensive. i meant, these guys work and earn their salaries. whether they make singapore their home is their businesses, not ours.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Laughing

If you want to post one-liners, at the very least make the effort to make them plausible lah.

What are you implying with this statement? That our government embarked on these policies because they expected it to "turn out beyond rational expectations"?

In other words wishful thinking?

Would your response to Global Warming and Chain Smoking be "there are many things and events which turn out beyond rational expectations"?

Laughing

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Why are you omitting the fact that the Chinese in Singapore represent a majority while the Chinese community in Australia is a minority? Is it any surprise that with 70 percent of all Singaporeans being Chinese, that some end up as ministers? On the other hand, the Chinese do not make it over 10 percent of the population in Australia.

With this in mind please account for these people when you said that the Chinese have no presence in politics in Australia:

· John So: Lord Mayor of Melbourne
· Michael Choi: politician (Queensland)
· Henry Tsang: politician, NSW
· Bill O'Chee: Senator (Queensland), Federal Parliament
· Peter Wong: politician (New South Wales)
· Alfred Huang: former Lord Mayor of Adelaide
· John Yu: paediatrician and Australian of the Year 1996

If your main tack in posting all this is that the main reason that you should stay in Singapore is that so you can be a racial majority and dominate politics, then it's a rather sad state of affairs, not to mention highly condecending to our racial minorities. Please do not swoop so low.

Hence your little post on ministers and dishwashing is not only irrelevant and inaccurate but also highly offensive and condescending to our local minorities and the Australian Chinese minorities. They are certainly much more then a community of dishwashers.

Your poorly thought out and disgusting arguments on the principle of majority-dominating-politics could be made by a Malaysian on our local Malays, or an Indian on our local Indians, or maybe even an European on our local Europeans. Might as well go on to argue that all local minorities might as well go back to their majority nations as whats in Singapore is not meant for them and for the Chinese only.

Really, do make better arguments then those shooting-yourself-in-the foot ones.

When you go to any nation the idea shouldnt be if you are a minority or majority, but if they will treat you fairly and give you a good chance and a proper life.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

This is not to mention that you dont seem to be familiar with the Chinese community in Australia, which has had a history of plenty of contributions and achievements to boot.

So please, dont insult a community who has made a valuable contribution to their nation.

DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST.

walesa SG

Originally posted by CannotTahan:

myself. retirement also no problems

my children. of course also no problems.

thanks to the current government.

Laughing

Should you ever be jobless, I'm sure "Dear Leader" Kim Jung Il would be more than happy to enlist your help as his regime's official spokesman to alter the image of the DPRK in the international fraternity. Laughing

CannotTahan SG

Contributions? MOST of the contributions are in cooking for ang mohs?

CannotTahan SG

Sorry hor. Even jobless, my retirement is no problems. Dont be so sure.

CannotTahan SG

Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:

Why are you omitting the fact that the Chinese in Singapore represent a majority while the Chinese community in Australia is a minority? Is it any surprise that with 70 percent of all Singaporeans being Chinese, that some end up as ministers? On the other hand, the Chinese do not make it over 10 percent of the population in Australia.

With this in mind please account for these people when you said that the Chinese have no presence in politics in Australia:

· John So: [b]Lord Mayor of Melbourne
· Michael Choi: politician (Queensland)
· Henry Tsang: politician, NSW
· Bill O'Chee: Senator (Queensland), Federal Parliament
· Peter Wong: politician (New South Wales)
· Alfred Huang: former Lord Mayor of Adelaide
· John Yu: paediatrician and Australian of the Year 1996

If your main tack in posting all this is that the main reason that you should stay in Singapore is that so you can be a racial majority and dominate politics, then it's a rather sad state of affairs, not to mention highly condecending to our racial minorities. Please do not swoop so low.

Hence your little post on ministers and dishwashing is not only irrelevant and inaccurate but also highly offensive and condescending to our local minorities and the Australian Chinese minorities. They are certainly much more then a community of dishwashers.

Your poorly thought out and disgusting arguments on the principle of majority-dominating-politics could be made by a Malaysian on our local Malays, or an Indian on our local Indians, or maybe even an European on our local Europeans. Might as well go on to argue that all local minorities might as well go back to their majority nations as whats in Singapore is not meant for them and for the Chinese only.

Really, do make better arguments then those shooting-yourself-in-the foot ones.

When you go to any nation the idea shouldnt be if you are a minority or majority, but if they will treat you fairly and give you a good chance and a proper life.
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You write so much. Then put personal attack sentences against me. Are you weakening ? Have I hit your sore spot?

so when you were happily writing away your negative thoughts about singapore, it is ok. when someone else write negative thoughts about where you are, WOW, personal attacks. Is this your culture?

the amount of research against singapore that you spent your time and efforts accumulating shows you are that nervous about you making the wrong decision. poor chap.

if you a confident person with the right attitude, you would have emigrated to australia with an open heart, smile genuinely, wave back to your folks (friends and relatives) in singapore and say "Take care!".

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