40 years of national service or national slavery?

last SG · 2007-07-02T12:54:31+00:00

Agree Before we are indoctrinated with the idea that 'We ourselves must defend our homeland' and 'no one owns us a living', perhaps someone (you-know-who) s...

(human) SG

The moment the slave resolves that he will no longer be a slave, his fetters fall. Freedom and slavery are mental states. -Mahatma Gandhi

(human) SG

Any one read today's ST "Soldiers vow to guard Singapore with thier lives"? Soldiers vow to guard Singapore with thier lives by heart or just by verbally? Laughing Will one guard a country with live when they know that ruling party's ministers are self serving, care more for profit than for the people?

the Bear SG

got a question...

so... the italians, swiss and israelis are also slavers?

will4 SG

Slaves never get a single cent. What u trying to prove in this topic?

(human) SG

Freedom and slavery are mental states. You have to ask them.

Darkness_hacker99 SG

As long as there is pay, I don’t mind to become slave.

the Bear SG

yeah.. mental states..

you think of it as slavery, some think of it as something necessary to give them a freedom which is not to be taken for granted..

just like you think about yourself only but try to extrapolate it to others, to rationalise it as 'slavery'

what have you done for your society?

(human) SG

Who claims slaves never get a single cent?

(human) SG

Such question should use only for self reflection. I believe you don't go around and ask everyone what have they done for society. Isn't it?

wisefool83 SG

And thus the problem you are having at the moment is of mental nature?

the Bear SG

it is for yours..

you do not proclaim it slavery when it is your own thoughts without any self-reflection..

and if you say it's slavery because you can only think of yourself, that says a lot about what and who you are...

sgdiehard SG

soldiers are waiting for you to change the ruling party, they would also protect you even if you don't care for people. Singapore soldiers protect Singapore, no mix up with politics.

(human) SG

Before you typed this question are there no thoughts going through your mental state as in right now?

BusSpeeder SG

i think NS is a system implemented by the government so that they can train them to be strong, defend Singapore, but somehow, its like treating them like slaves. one question to ponder: i think we do not have the need to serve NS, even if its compulsory, when PAP is still ruling the government and i’ll rather we’ll be ruled by other countries or if its possible, WP or SDA.

BillyBong SG

NS is important both as a tool of national security, and a political weapon.

It is interesting to note that both have been used in times of political unrest among our neighbours to stifle their hollow threats.

When George Yeo opened negotiations on bilateral trade and defence talks with Indonesia, what do you think is the most powerful bargaining tool he has?

While NS has its grouces, it nevertheless lends significant weight to our political muscle, ensure our 'larger' neighbours toe the line. This can be highlighted in our currency pact with Brunei and the loaning of Temburong training area for our armed forces. Why does our govt park a sizable force of our SAF in Brunei, especially since Brunei borders both East Malaysia and Indonesia?

Our armed forces is what intrinsically keeps the vultures at bay, and lets us go about our business on a daily basis. It is as important to us as our family.

(human) SG

No mix up with politic? You mean the conducts of leader won't affect how soldiers think?

sgdiehard SG

Conducts of leaders affect how citizens think. Citizens onced called up and put on uniform become soldiers and they take orders from commanders, not do what they think.

SAF's duty is to guard Singapore as a country, not to protect politicians, but the soldiers, including the generals, cannot suka suka do what they like, because they don't like some of the leaders.

sgdiehard SG

have you served NS?
Singapore can be ruled by WP, SDA or even me, when elected, Embarassed but if you want to be ruled by other countries, you go to the countries, Singapore cannot be ruled by other countries! Get this clear. Smile

(human) SG

Are SAF commanders not taking orders from the politicians?

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Actually, I wonder if this rock is even defensible for starters..... say a Chinese aircraft carrier with say 70-90 aircraft and escorts, will be enough to maul our navy and airforce to death. Then the bombings start....

To be honest, our defensive options are limited. We are better off with a professional army that can fight and not some.. bloated army that the mere mobilisation will bring our economy to heels.

Our neighbours know that as well. If they really want to kill us, force us rather to be mobilised for a few days, and we will be screwed.

Let's be a little realistic and put aside foolish patriotism. This rock isn't defensible, and our economy will crumble even without a war. Political Muscle? Pah! Only the militaries around us care. WTF will a more advanced power like S. Korea or Japan care?

Actually, I wouldn't mind if Singapore becomes the 52nd state of the US. Laughing

Here's an even bigger joke: Our economy is so reliant on "foreign talent", it will crumble the moment they all flee the county like in WWII. And who said we were free of colonial influences?

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