All out to defame our governement

last SG · 2007-06-07T10:34:23+00:00

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Rock^Star SG

Salman? Who's next now? Laughing

Rock^Star SG

Originally posted by january:
you all are too emotional and have bias towards govt policy.
Again, your views are narrow minded , thus govt policy certain point will make you feel unhappy but if you look at the big picture that govt has to consider, which people wont, they will just keep on have things to complain.

Preconceived beliefs leads to sensitive emotions. When you are angry, the blame is usually external. therefore, the solution is on moderating you emotions.

I am just like all of you. Middle class, still finding job, have gone to 2 nearby countries in my life so far, have university debt of abt 15 k, seldom spend on material stuff.

You all dun know how to manage your emotions that is why the tendency to blame others.

as i have say, if you are not rich, dun go buy a 4 room, 5 room. the moment u buy bigger house, u have money problem if u dun earn that much. stress and pressure will come, blaming will occur.

self accountability is missing.

As to whether the govt is effective with veto power, you people are assuming that by changing decision according to people wishes, thing will be better. Proof? There is tendency to assume that monopoly of govt power is always bad. This is not a universal law or proof.

Go read up more how to have simple life and achieve happiness book.
Even within the internet forum, opposition parties are convincing and building up a list of the' mistakes of govt' and thus making themselves more and more left wing without checking the validity of the sources and the reasoning.

You want to be like taiwan.. people got alot of freedom in say in politics.. newspaper can oppose govt here and there... the result.. do they have a better life? can fight in meeting also.

politics , its is easy to swing the mind of opposition and brainwash them. the opposition themselves will even brainwash themselves. We cannot therefore allow so much freedom of press.

other countries have more freedom in blaming govt, is their life better than because of that?

casuality is a complex process with many issues affecting one another over time. Go read up on psychology , physcis of time and space and causality and philosphy.

Human mind don't see the complexity in causality. Therefore, opposition will just line up several reasons in straight line and make judgments.

I am saying that you all do not have real proof that the govtment is indeed doing thw wrong things. Just a bunch of ideas and pseudo evidence.

[b]Wont post anymore for today.[/b]

Your posts would bear more credence if you do not preach so much philosophy. You can't see this simple point, can you?

And if you answer our posts directly instead of sidestepping everything with a post like that above, we would read every single word with sincerity.

Enough of replying to "empty air smacked with an overkill of philosophy".

LinYu SG

it's getting boring here. all the self agenda and flame war with no cream in the discussion
Rolling Eyes

Jontst78 SG

To judge all who are anti-PAP as emotional is rather presumptuous on your part, don't you think so. Again, so is your judgement of all who are Anti-PAP being narrowminded. The PAP isn't infailable, and all polices and govt bodies should be able to stand up agianst scrutiny. And thats what the govt should be doing, convicing the people of their decisions. Not don't just hold a debate for the sake of an appearance of transparency when a bill or proposed policy is being intended to be implemented without vote.

The cabinet should be answerable to the legistation which represents the people. But due to strict party-discipline, handed down from the British, the legislation seems to be following the executive. Hence the executive and legislation are now 1 body. No semblence of an accountablility to the poeple. They are just brushing the poeple off, with the same presumtions that you are having "There will be unhappy people etc etc.. but we are still going to do it". That is why some people are not happy, the govt doesn't listen. Phillip Jeyaretnam is far from middle class and he as spoken out agianst the Minister's pay rise, drawing sharp rebuke from the PAP. Just an example, to show that the unhappy people are nolonger just the middle class.

Originally posted by january:
Preconceived beliefs leads to sensitive emotions. When you are angry, the blame is usually external. therefore, the solution is on moderating you emotions.

Preconveived beliefs do not lead to sensative emotions, insecurities do. Like how LHL or LKY get when talking about CSJ or JBJ. Like how LKY lashed out at a young journalist from S.Times on TV before last years GE, when the subject of voting PAP out of fear came up. Smile

On the contrary, preconcieved beliefs do lead to blindly following a certain value or set of values. Which in your case, is somewhat akin to "The (economic)ends justify the means of which the PAP gets there." Hence blindly assuming the PAP is right, and saying the People who oppose the gvot lack the ability to rationalize and reason due to emotions. Smile

Originally posted by january:
I am just like all of you. Middle class, still finding job, have gone to 2 nearby countries in my life so far, have university debt of abt 15 k, seldom spend on material stuff.

You all dun know how to manage your emotions that is why the tendency to blame others.

as i have say, if you are not rich, dun go buy a 4 room, 5 room. the moment u buy bigger house, u have money problem if u dun earn that much. stress and pressure will come, blaming will occur.

Lets take the ministers pay hike for example (there are mnay others as well)
Again, I present to you, Sylvia, Chiam, TLK and Phil Jeyaretnam, they seem pretty calm and collected when puting their points across, and with strong evidence against the pay hike. (they are hardly middle class)LKY just brushes them of with claims that Singapore is in a unique situation. IMO, no less unique than any other nations on this planet.

You talk the talk, we'll see in 10 years, how you walk the walk.

Originally posted by january:
self accountability is missing.

As to whether the govt is effective with veto power, you people are assuming that by changing decision according to people wishes, thing will be better. Proof? There is tendency to assume that monopoly of govt power is always bad. This is not a universal law or proof.

It is not self accountability that is missing, it is Govt accountability to the people that is sorely missing. We are not living in a Kingdom or in an Empire. Democracy was created to enable prosperity, and also to ensure that powers do not get abused, unchecked and thus bringing the nation to its knees.

If a policy is good for the people, convince the poeple, tis the responsiblity of the Government. The problem is the use authority to thumb the people down and do what they(PAP) want, for the authority the PAP has is vested in them by the people.

Originally posted by january:
Go read up more how to have simple life and achieve happiness book.
Even within the internet forum, opposition parties are convincing and building up a list of the' mistakes of govt' and thus making themselves more and more left wing without checking the validity of the sources and the reasoning.

You are again having the preconcieved idea that encomical values is the only reason that the people are not happy with the PAP.

Originally posted by january:
You want to be like taiwan.. people got alot of freedom in say in politics.. newspaper can oppose govt here and there... the result.. do they have a better life? can fight in meeting also.

No one wants violence, I can give you a whole list of fully democratice nations that are doing well, with the non-violent protests. No one in the opposition advocates violence.

Originally posted by january:
politics , its is easy to swing the mind of opposition and brainwash them. the opposition themselves will even brainwash themselves. We cannot therefore allow so much freedom of press.

If the government policies are good, they can stand up to scrutiny and the govt should be able to debuk convincingly. Not happening here.

Originally posted by january:
other countries have more freedom in blaming govt, is their life better than because of that?

Yes. And there is a distinct difference, between questioning the government and blaming them. Questioning them to justify their decisions is not blaming. Contrary to your preconcieved belief that all who opposing PAP are blaming them. Personally, I want PAP to reform the very core of the system, before it gets worse.

Originally posted by january:
casuality is a complex process with many issues affecting one another over time. Go read up on psychology , physcis of time and space and causality and philosphy.

Human mind don't see the complexity in causality. Therefore, opposition will just line up several reasons in straight line and make judgments.

Do you want to be part of the list of casualties and get left behind by the govt polices?

Originally posted by january:
I am saying that you all do not have real proof that the govtment is indeed doing thw wrong things. Just a bunch of ideas and pseudo evidence.

There has been a whole list, not illegal, as they make the law. What is illegal is not always wrong, what is legal is not always right. If you want the list, I'll post it here on this thread again for your sake. Smile

Originally posted by january:
[b]Wont post anymore for today.

If you do decide to post again, try not to make sweeping dismissive statements, its not very healthy debating. Smile

Rock^Star SG

Originally posted by january:
you all are too emotional and have bias towards govt policy.
Again, your views are narrow minded , thus govt policy certain point will make you feel unhappy but if you look at the big picture that govt has to consider, which people wont, they will just keep on have things to complain.

Preconceived beliefs leads to sensitive emotions. When you are angry, the blame is usually external. therefore, the solution is on moderating you emotions.

I am just like all of you. Middle class, still finding job, have gone to 2 nearby countries in my life so far, have university debt of abt 15 k, seldom spend on material stuff.

You all dun know how to manage your emotions that is why the tendency to blame others.

as i have say, if you are not rich, dun go buy a 4 room, 5 room. the moment u buy bigger house, u have money problem if u dun earn that much. stress and pressure will come, blaming will occur.

self accountability is missing.

As to whether the govt is effective with veto power, you people are assuming that by changing decision according to people wishes, thing will be better. Proof? There is tendency to assume that monopoly of govt power is always bad. This is not a universal law or proof.

Go read up more how to have simple life and achieve happiness book.

Even within the internet forum, opposition parties are convincing and building up a list of the' mistakes of govt' and thus making themselves more and more left wing without checking the validity of the sources and the reasoning.

You want to be like taiwan.. people got alot of freedom in say in politics.. newspaper can oppose govt here and there... the result.. do they have a better life? can fight in meeting also.

politics , its is easy to swing the mind of opposition and brainwash them. the opposition themselves will even brainwash themselves. We cannot therefore allow so much freedom of press.

other countries have more freedom in blaming govt, is their life better than because of that?

casuality is a complex process with many issues affecting one another over time. Go read up on psychology , physcis of time and space and causality and philosphy.

Human mind don't see the complexity in causality. Therefore, opposition will just line up several reasons in straight line and make judgments.

I am saying that you all do not have real proof that the govtment is indeed doing thw wrong things. Just a bunch of ideas and pseudo evidence.

[b]Wont post anymore for today.[/b]

Evidence of philoposhy in his posts. Diminishes his credibility. Philosophy and politics combined make for a potent and deadly mix of bullsh.it.

Rock^Star SG

Perhaps you been reading selectively and you cannot see the reason behind the discreditation campaign here.

Atobe SG

If you have just graduated, you must be about 23 to 25 years.

Singapore has seen the Ruling Political Party in power - uninterruptedly since 1957 (Self-Rule under Colonial Government) and 1965 (after brilliantly merging into Malaysia and got ourselves kicked-out due to LKY's style of politics seen as his personal ambition for a bigger political stage than this Little Red Dot can offer).

You missed out the other 20 odd years, and probably got your education filled with PAP's version of Singapore's history - and probably through the Singapore Experience Auditorium next to SAFTI ?

Preconceived beliefs leads to sensitive emotions. When you are angry, the blame is usually external. therefore, the solution is on moderating you emotions.

Angry ? After reading the entire development of this thread, in which I have decidedly taken leave from immersing into it for the last 19 pages - due to work commitment - the anger seem not to be a result of Government policy, but more directed at guys like you who seem to think that those holding negative views towards the Government are mental misfits; and believing yourselves to be absolutely correct, while providing the run-of-the-mill reasons regurgitated from Government propaganda towards the same criticisms.

Nothing new, except for the fact of new fervent disciples appearing on the scene, spouting old religious beliefs that brand all government critics as heretically anti-government.

These newly recruited disciples will have the temerity to accuse the government critics to be ingrates, while letting the Government off the hook - when it should be the Government who should be labelled as ingrates after having received the unquestionable support of the previous generations, only to allow them to languish in their old age, while this Third Generation Government will enrich themselves at the urging of the First Generation Politial Leadership.

I am just like all of you. Middle class, still finding job, have gone to 2 nearby countries in my life so far, have university debt of abt 15 k, seldom spend on material stuff.

You all dun know how to manage your emotions that is why the tendency to blame others.

Good luck on your next phase in your Life's oddyssey.

We will welcome your views again, after you have been through the next five years of having your shine worn, and as you see the realities as it is - as you try to fit yourself into a tight society while fending for a family that you wish to create for yourself, and a Life of Hope for your offsprings.

It is only a short span of time since you graduated, as matters stand you are already burdened with a debt of 15k before you even have a job; lets see how your debt continue to grow as you prepare yourself for a job, a family, a future for your children.

The debt grows, and much will depend on your earned income, and you are fortunate to have a Degree to start a career with, when others probably have less or no educational qualifications.

Do not lose empathy for those who have lesser or no qualification, and try to understand their circumstances by immersing into their environment and their World of hardship, misery, and despair.

Why should these circusmstance exist when more then two generations of Singaporeans have given their unstinting support to this same Political Party that has governed Singapore for 45 years ?

Are we not already in the First World, and in a World that MM LKY had boasted overseas that there is no poverty, no homeless, no vagrants ?

We should not forget that MM LKY had admitted that his Government had interfered and will not hesistate to dictate every aspect of Singaporean's Life - yet, should we be satisfied with this final result of seeing the neglect of the aged loyal Singaporeans left to fend for themselves after giving their total energy, loyalty, hard earned taxes - only to see themselves languishing while the Treasury is being raided to reward MM LKY and his Third Generation Leadership for their supposed brilliant leadership.

as i have say, if you are not rich, dun go buy a 4 room, 5 room. the moment u buy bigger house, u have money problem if u dun earn that much. stress and pressure will come, blaming will occur.

self accountability is missing.

Do you think Singaporeans are an entirely foolish lot ?

When a Public Housing Policy dictate Housing Types is strictly based on Gross Family Income, can anyone plan to live more frugrally with the long term view of planning for one's old age ?

Why should there be a policy that dictate that a family with a higher Gross Income will be prevented from purchasing a smaller Public Housing Unit ?

It is odd that the cost of Public Housing will absorb nearly the entire Lifetime CPF contributions earned, despite the fact that - ''In 1966, the colonial legislation on land acquisition was repealed and in its place the broader Land Acquisition Act was passed. Under the reformed Land Acquisition Act, the government can compulsorily acquire any land of private and commercial use for public interest. The Act provides for the payment of compensation, which is determined by the state. In determining the payment rate, no account is taken of any potential value for more intensive uses, only the existing use or zoned use is considered, whichever is lower. The prices paid by the HDB for the acquired lands are therefore usually much lower than the market price.''

Why should Public Housing absorb one's entire Lifetime CPF contribution, when land costs is supposed to be below market price, and with the Public Housing supposedly benefitting from Large Economies of Scale in raw materials purchases, as well as from cost savings in the uniform planning, design and construction that are repeated in mass ?

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Atobe SG

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As to whether the govt is effective with veto power, you people are assuming that by changing decision according to people wishes, thing will be better. Proof? There is tendency to assume that monopoly of govt power is always bad. This is not a universal law or proof.

Why are the Danes, the Swiss, and the Swedes amongst the 'Top Ten Happiest People in the World' despite a reputation of having high taxes, high costs of living, high costs for almost everything that Singapore is supposedly NOT and is able to offer more at far lower costs than Denmark or Switzerland ?

Is it not due to the fact that these Top Ten Countries - including Malta, which is about the same size as Singapore - has seen a closer and truer symbiotic relationship between the Citizens and the Government - in which the Citizens owns the Government and with the Citizen having a bigger say than the Government in policies that affect their Lives.

Switzerland conducts referendums on all MAJOR public policies that affect themselves, and the Government DO NOT INTERFERE in their personal lives - in the manner that MM LKY boast as his RIGHT to interfere in the Private Lives of Singaporeans.

Monopoly of power always corrupts the soul.

It gives the power holder the invincibility to dictate the Lives of others - as in the case of Chia Thye Poh, who was incarcerated on the unwavering accusation of LKY that he is a Communist bent to overthrow the legitimate Singapore Government by armed revolution; yet no evidence was raised that will substantiate such a charge in the well known politicized Singapore Court.

Similarly, in the misguided confrontation between MM LKY and the Alpha-ONE SIA Pilot Union, it led to the President of the Union to have his Permanent Residenship being revoked for his courage in organising and managing the interests of the SIA Pilots.

By itself, this reveals the naked arrogance of Monopolisitic Imperial Power - are you not disgusted that our future is on a shoe string stability ?

Go read up more how to have simple life and achieve happiness book.
Even within the internet forum, opposition parties are convincing and building up a list of the' mistakes of govt' and thus making themselves more and more left wing without checking the validity of the sources and the reasoning.

What is Left-Wing, and what is Right-Wing ?

Even Deng Xiao Peng, the late PRC Chairman, had said there is no difference between ''White Cat and Black Cat, as long as it catches the Mouse''.

China today is as capitalistic as Singapore is Communistic in Governance.

Is there any difference in the political and economics blueprint of China and Singapore ?

You want to be like taiwan.. people got alot of freedom in say in politics.. newspaper can oppose govt here and there... the result.. do they have a better life? can fight in meeting also.

At least in Taiwan, as a people, the Taiwanese is able to produce World Beating Brand Names in consumer products than Singapore, in the same time frame of history as Singapore had.

Aside from the Commercial World, what has Singapore Government to offer from the government linked military industrial groups, when the Taiwanese side can even build their own Jet Fighter Planes, Cruise Missiles, Tanks ?

Why look at the negative side of Taiwanese Politics, when it is the culture of the uncouth Taiwanese that tarnishes the freedom that Democracy provide ?

Why not look closer to Singapore, where the Malaysian Parliamentary System is more liberal than Singapore's ?

Even South Korea has seen far more progress since the demise of all its ONE Man Dictatorial Rule of Generals moving from uniforms to civilian Presidential suits, leading the country to be a new industrial power - producing leading consumer brand names, and venturing into high tech bio-sciences, as well as a strong military industrial base.

politics , its is easy to swing the mind of opposition and brainwash them. the opposition themselves will even brainwash themselves. We cannot therefore allow so much freedom of press.

other countries have more freedom in blaming govt, is their life better than because of that?

Indonesia is experimenting and re-discovering themselves with new found freedom in politics that extend to the broadcast and print media.

It allowed the press to become a watchdog in the public interest, something which the Singapore Government refused to accept the right of the Press to query for public interest.

How can the arrogance of this Singapore Government accept such a humbling position when it will not submit itself even to an Elect-President that it had created to look after Public Interests in the National Reserves ?

Your derogatory attitude towards the Alternative Parties simply show your own ability to even brainwash yourself from the constant exposure of the type of propaganda that is built around the Singapore Experience.

casuality is a complex process with many issues affecting one another over time. Go read up on psychology , physcis of time and space and causality and philosphy.

Human mind don't see the complexity in causality. Therefore, opposition will just line up several reasons in straight line and make judgments.

I am saying that you all do not have real proof that the govtment is indeed doing thw wrong things. Just a bunch of ideas and pseudo evidence.

Wont post anymore for today.

Is that not the same manner in which the Singapore Government react to criticism directed at them from the Alternative Parties ?

The knee-jerk reactions from some of the Ministers simply reveal their own desparate psychology in their hopeless effort to maintain a false image that is slowly eroding with each eager frontal assault directed at each criticism that Alternative Parties dare to air publicly.

Is it any wonder that PM LHL will even make glaring slip ups that reveal his psychological make-up in 'FIXING' the Alternative Parties ?

Time is a constant, experience is not.

Which side of the Divide - between Us and Them - will depend on the experiences that are destined for you.

We may or may not see you on our side, as time moved on and exposing you to the different experiences that your destiny will bring you to; but be a compassionate Human at least, even if you cannot be a positively sensitive one.

PRP SG

Originally posted by PRP:
[b]The govt has its strong & weak points

The PAP Govt has its strong points & its weaknesses.It does somethiing very well & it doesn't work on some other things.Complaining or scolding it -- understandable thou -- won't improve things. Helping it to do a better job should help improve things.But then,why should u do it if there is no reward,right?

Everybody should discharge their responsibilities too and be good persons.[/b]

If the govt provides generouts reward for good ideas,then i think a lot of ppl would suggest ideas to help the govt.Would it be true?

ndmmxiaomayi SG

I return the same thing to you. We are just only discussing (save for a few mocking here and there).

Since you are talking about philosophy, what applies to us will be the same to you. Don't commit the same mistakes that we made (well, according to you.)

sourketchup SG

To be fair to our government, they are doing not too badly.

But to look at things in context, all the societies dominated by Chinese in east Asia with the exception of China (which is communist, but is now capitalistic in all but name) are doing well.

As a matter of fact, it may not be an exaggeration to say that generally, the higher the proportion of Chinese in an east asian society, the better the country would be doing. Which means that we may be doing similarly well, if not better, with or without this present ruling party.

This, of course, is hypothetical. As stated, they did not do too badly. Secret societies (of the serious sort, not the bully-boy gangs these days) largely eradicated, racism kept under reasonable control, corruption not too rampant, streets largely safe etc.

But can they do better? An unequivocal yes. More accountability? Definitely. More openess? Please.

sourketchup SG

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Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Hey hey. Have you forgotten history? You do know that Chinese, for the better part of history, actually enjoyed the position of slave? The peasants were expected to obey the emperor, who was perpetually a God to them. The Chinese in the past, to be frank, are a bunch of worthless slaves who had far less creativity. This is why the West superseded us in technology and Science because they were more happy to question what was right and wrong. In China, no such revolution ever occurred. As a result, China was pushed here and there for over a century before regaining their feet 50 over years ago. This is what idiots like OM have failed to see: It was through questioning what was right and wrong and not obey every single word as truth that led the West to make leaps and bounds in Science for centuries and they still continue to do so, though Japan, Taiwan and present day China show occasional sparks now.

And you think Secret societies don't exist in other forms? As it is, the Govt is practically a secret society in many ways, hiding all their bullshit from us know that they are outright scandalous. And then, when someone attacks their cowardice, they come all out to crush the opposition and even drive them out of the country.

The problem with this country is the stupid notion that bad laundry should not be hanged, that the nation's pride must be preserved, i.e. FACE. This incessant self-denial so prevalent in Asian society, most notably Japan, will be the death of us one fine day.

rane SG

Not surprise at all with that sort of reply you get!! The doctors especially the ones from the gahmen hospitals are die hard supporters of the ruling party, they sneered at the opposition with arrogance and condescending attitude. By the way, they also blame the patients for always complaining the high medical costs. They said that patients are one kind, why do they keep complaining when the gahmen subsidised heavily for the people. The doctors are earning very well, those senior ones get 5 digit salaries (excluding bonuses)! So are they really underpay, I doubt!!! Besides salary, they also get paid when they go see a patient in other wards (blue letter referrals).

Well, remember doctors are the elites so they think and act like the ruling party. Believe that is the reason why they got a number of doctors joining them as politicians!!! Arrogance, egoistic minds think alike!! Mr. Green

In fact, by getting more opposition in the parliament will only improve a little. Wanna a complete change slowly gradually vote the ruling party out of power!!! After all, Singapore really needs new blood in the political scene, we should give the present ruling party a break by allowing a new political party or the existing opposition to dominate the political scene here.

Mediacorp goes star search, we can go politicians search, ha ha!! Mr. Green Laughing

maurizio13 SG

I am just telling the readers oxford mushroom's technique of operation. If you read his previous post, you will notice that he's the one that starts calling others name when he can't reply to their arguments. I am sure alot of forumers can attest to that. Instead of replying to all my post, he chooses to whimper away like a dog with it's tail between it's legs.

maurizio13 SG

An honest Freudian Slip.

Laughing

Atobe SG

If all Chinese dominated societies in East Asia are doing similarly well, surely it is telling something - that it is the 'driven energy' of an ethnic group that naturally seeks out success for itself ?

This fact alone simply say to us that the Chinese ethnic group is a 'serious ethnic group' with a keen sense of survival instinct, and an acute ability to carve a niche for itself in any society and circumstance.

The success of the Chinese Communities throughout Asia is based on its own ingenuity and initiative; and most have not even received the kind of purposeful 'State sponsored interference' that is a hallmark of the Singapore Government, which had dared to claim credit when things work fine in Singapore, but will disclaim all liabilities when things go bad.

To say that this Government has not done too badly, is to say that it is already very bad, but things could have been much worst; or that things are bad, and could have been much better.

Bad is already bad, and depending on which sector of the various subject groups concerned, the degree of badness or worseness is mere semantics.

Bad can only be bad or worst, it can never be not too bad'.

To be successful, one has certainly to be serious and is there a need for complete secrecy ?

China used to be the center of discovery - having developed the first compass and the use of gun powder, yet the Chinese community had atrophied in almost every field of science and discovery since its golden age a few centuries ago.

This is largely due to the selfish protection of knowledge for its own self-interests and self-preservation, in which the Chinese ethnic groups will resist the spread of its experience and knowledge to others even from within it own.

How often have we heard of the Master keeping one last master stroke, while transferring the knowledge to his most faithful disciple ?

It is only in an environment of open questioning and earnest debate of alternative and competing ideas that the best will surface.

Why are there such a high number of Asian students heading to the West to advance their educational process in the various Western Centres of famed Tertiary Education in Science and Management ?

Even the Chinese Government in Beijing has slowly turned around to toy with a new idea of openess and accountability, so as to combat corruption.

Money was not even a topic to be considered a tool to prevent corruption in Government - not that the Chinese Treasury cannot afford it when they have a National Reserve that is twice larger than ours.

Can Human Intellect make any advancement in a closed environment, in an
environment of monopolistic dominance in all opinions and views ?

Yes, it is good that you see the need for accountability and openess.

Unfortunately, between saying accountability and openess is necessary, it has been the policy of this Government to acknowledge such a need so as to pacify the outcry. The Government will only act diligently to defuse the situation by diverting attention through the half-hearted effort towards reforms, and place the onus of change on the maturity of Singaporeans, and will refuse to subject itself to any actual changes.

rane SG

Yes, he the mushroom from oxford loves name calling and will never hesitate to do so as and when nobody acts or talks accordingly to his whimps and fancies. He do name calling and when people reciprocate he is angry and humiliates people. He is ever so do unto others but don't want others to do unto him!!! Once in a while, he talks sense and contributes constructively a little, but most of the time (more than 80% of the time) he is downright nuisance!! Mr. Green

passerbyJIA SG

nobody would ever doubt if there is democracy in Taiwan. Only the "ostrichised" die hard Gahman advocates believe Singapore is a true democracy. Talk to anyone outside of Singapore and you would know, sirAdrian. Dont tell me that everybody is wrong about PAP!

Just take a step back and ask yourself this question:

what would you choose between a parliament where
its members will speak out,
there are always heated and even violent debates,
the Government is always challenged and required to account for its policy,

and the Singapore Parliament where the opposite of the above is true Crying or Very sad

Rock^Star SG

Where are Gazelle and OM?

The temptation to label you both as dimwits is overwhelming. However, before I pass any judgement, please answer the questions posed.

Appreciate it.

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