Hey Lee Kuan Yew,Ma Ying Jeon wont follow your style one!!!!

last SG · 2007-06-17T10:55:24+00:00

And what's the use of their democracy? When their leaders are all incompetent and more corrupt than the PAP everyone complains about. Look at all the problem...

rane SG

Definitely, and of course, majority of Taiwanese are smart to know the priorites. Mr Ma knows what works for Singapore may not work for Taiwan. People of Taiwan are not easily manipulated by their gahmen unlike people in Singapore. Mr Ma has his own mind and good sense of judgement to know what is best for Taiwan and will not follow blindly the style of our gahmen. Taiwanese fight for their right and make full use of democracy to stand firm in what they believe and want. Taiwan is a very different country from Singapore.

Somehow, I admire their guts and courage in dealing with politics issues.

BusSpeeder SG

don't forget this thing: the government controls the police. the police force that we have EASILY, i repeat, EASILY outnumber the residents of singapore. unless you hate the government SO MUCH that you hate the police force we have then you say this in relate towards the government's ruling of the certain defence/attack forces that we have: "We don't care much about the stupid police force that we have", which is insulting.

BusSpeeder SG

agreed. taiwan IS a very different country, other countries have her kind of ruling too, but how come she always have her residents fighting when in the courtroom, like most "li wei" fight for just minor issues against their judgement of views.

rane SG

do you use your brain when you typed the above message? Or you watch too much cartoon? HOw can the police outnumber the number of residents, what logic is this? VEry stupid!!! Or are you a stupid police yourself!!!

You don't need to be so mean to bring up hate the gahmen so much that hate the police force! When did I bring up police in my message, kiddo? Don't incite hatred OK!!! We are here to voice our views and if you take it as hating, I think your mentality is questionable!!

From the way you perceive, think, communicate and react- tell us you are a kid!! Go play computer game, this forum is not suitable for you!!!

rane SG

You don't think like a kid you will know why!!! Mr. Green

reyes SG

I personally think that most Taiwan politicians are smart and coy enough to know what the priorities are. Yes, Ma maybe praising the SG to the high heavens but he knows that the Taiwanese, unlike SGreans are sharp, alert and can analyze information indepedently. They will not just blindly follow what the newspaper says. The blue camp for all this yrs like the PAP have lost contact with the hearts and minds of Taiwanese, especially the younger generation. The autocratic rule of the Chiang eras coupled with the "merry-making, serenading PRC" stances does not bodes well with younger generations. Times have changed, the younger generations of Taiwan wants to carve out an identity or culture for themselves and unlike the older generations, they have no connections or feelings for mainland. So why times have progress, KMT not only lost the support of the young, their usual stances of " KMT is endorsed by the mainland so voting for me means no war", potraying themselves as PRC's second fiddle, does not connect with the ppls. Yes no doubt PRC has threat the island with force, but it is the ppls that installs the govt, not the PLA.......

personally i know quite a few taiwanese young and middle age who are not afterall what we think they are politically savvy. the point is they dont have to spent hours in the internet trying to dig and read and diagnose the information.
the opposition and the countless media programmes are sharp to point out potential errors or mistake by the ruling party. they will present it thru media to reach audience and let the audience diagnose the information.

if our SPH has done that, i bet we can say goodbye to the ruling party sooner than expected. but then again... they get the same rating as afgan. or iran...
so what we say...

rane SG

Originally posted by reyes:
[b]I personally think that most Taiwan politicians are smart and coy enough to know what the priorities are. Yes, Ma maybe praising the SG to the high heavens but he knows that the Taiwanese, unlike SGreans are sharp, alert and can analyze information indepedently. They will not just blindly follow what the newspaper says. The blue camp for all this yrs like the PAP have lost contact with the hearts and minds of Taiwanese, especially the younger generation. The autocratic rule of the Chiang eras coupled with the "merry-making, serenading PRC" stances does not bodes well with younger generations. Times have changed, the younger generations of Taiwan wants to carve out an identity or culture for themselves and unlike the older generations, they have no connections or feelings for mainland. So why times have progress, KMT not only lost the support of the young, their usual stances of " KMT is endorsed by the mainland so voting for me means no war", potraying themselves as PRC's second fiddle, does not connect with the ppls. Yes no doubt PRC has threat the island with force, but it is the ppls that installs the govt, not the PLA.......

personally i know quite a few taiwanese young and middle age who are not afterall what we think they are politically savvy. the point is they dont have to spent hours in the internet trying to dig and read and diagnose the information.
the opposition and the countless media programmes are sharp to point out potential errors or mistake by the ruling party. they will present it thru media to reach audience and let the audience diagnose the information.

if our SPH has done that, i bet we can say goodbye to the ruling party sooner than expected. but then again... they get the same rating as afgan. or iran...
so what we say...[/b]

Their TV stations are very into checking on the gahmen. They have programme on discussing political issues and they are given the freedom to voice out whatever unhappiness, issues they have about the gahmen which we do not have in Singapore unfortunately. Initially, when I saw such a programme I really couldn't believe my eyes. We are indeed deprived of freedom to talk freely about politics in Singapore. The ruling party here really XVCCWQTET !!!

BusSpeeder SG

In this sense, wrong logic. But let me ask you, do the residents have weapons????? Do the police have weapons???? And I'm voicing my views... And I'm not a kid.

wisefool83 SG

Actually..... in this forum, it takes more guts to voice out for the government than against. By far I've witness a lot of pro-govt people here kenna flame until chao tar, but the anti-govt one normally will be hail as heroes even if they just say crap.

rane SG

wisefool83, your message above reflects that you are very downright prejudice, superficial and bias. So you are against people who talk negatively about the gahmen here?!! Majority who talk about the negative side of the gahmen are not talking crap if you are fair in your judgement.

Think I am wasting my time and effort even to communicate with you here. Wo nao fei!! Mr. Green

rane SG

one more point to add - so many speak negatively about the gahmen show that the gahmen needs lots of improvement in the way they run the country. If you are unhappy reading posts concerning people voicing out negatively about the gahmen, then can't be helped. Everywhere in Singapore we come across people who speak negatively about gahmen, SC is not the only place people do that. This really tell how much the ruling party needs improvement! If you don't like what I just said, too bad, this is life here and we can't deny what the gahmen have been and have not been doing.
Mr. Green If you think our gahmen is doing so well to take good care of the people of Singapore, go to the gahmen forum and gives thanks and pay your tribute to them there. OK!!

and if you are here talking, blah blah blah to show your unhappiness about people here talking negatively about your dear gahmen or finding fault, then we are not here to make you happy!! Mr. Green

wisefool83 SG

I rest my case

drawer SG

Thank you bro,thank you. Mr. Green

drawer SG

Well.....i dont quite like Goh Chok Tong,although perhaps he is waiting for Lee Kuan Yew death,then he is dare to make a political reform in Singapore.But until the day he prove to all Singaporeans he got guts to implement a political reform n oppose the Lee family dictatorial ruling,i will stick to my view about him.That is,he is just a boot-licker of the Lee family.

drawer SG

Ya,i agree.By the way,last time Chiang dictatorial ruling in Taiwan remind me of the Lee family dictatorial ruling in Singapore now.I believe Taiwan is one step ahead of us in overthrowing autocratic ruling government.

rane SG

but remember ah bian is no better! DPP is also not doing well to serve the people of Taiwan!

drawer SG

Then do u know why so many ppl hate the PAP government in here(or not only here,in many parts of Singapore)?Becoz if let say u dont like my post or threads,u can flame me back or just scroll down your mouse n dont look at my post.BUT,if the government implement policy that are unwelcome by the public or "praise themselves" in the(their) newspaper,can you write in to flame the PAP government?

If the PAP government raise GST from 3% to 5%,then to 7%,can you say "NO"?If they raise medical fees,bus fare,food n beverage cost,can you flame them in the newspapers?In Straits Times or Zaobao?Even if some organisation protest abit about the recent hike in price of items,will the PAP government care?Do u have a choice to say "NO"?

So thats why u see,in this forum,u have a "choice" to say "NO" to other forumers view,but in reality,you dont have a "choice" to say "NO" to the PAP government policy.So thats why most ppl hate the PAP government,they didnt give us a "choice" to choose "NO"!!!!

rane SG

LIke what I always say, democracy is questionable in Singapore.

drawer SG

Although he is not doing well,but at least,Taiwanese still have the chance to voice out their dissent about him in the media,can our PAP government let us do that?

Anyway,i believe the Taiwan political seats will split into 2,DDP and KMT,like what United States did,so as to prevent an overall dictatorial party arise in the government body,just like what Singapore in this pathetic situation now.

rane SG

hey, they allow programme on political discussion which we will never never going to have such kind of programme. On the media, never say anything negative about them , if not they will resort to all means to get at you. It is so unfortunate to have such kind of gahmen.

Just hope DPP will not rule again this is for the good of Taiwan. See with bian taiwan economy is doing very badly. I respect Mr Ma and believe he will do a better job compared to ah bian. ONe thing about bian, he is rather magnanimous in his way. So many hurled insults at him, scolded him and use all sorts of negative words to describe him, he never resort to file for defamation. Mr. Green OUr gahmen needs to learn this from bian. Be mangnanimous ruling party.

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