Wooing the super-rich (from BT)

last SG · 2007-05-10T13:25:26+00:00

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Gazelle SG

M13, no offence, if you have incapable of understanding what you are actually doing, it is the best that you dont do it at all, because that is embarrassing and also waste of time. Do you have reason to believe that the real world is as simple as what you learn from the text book?

What is the point of using elememtary formula to question the numbers that were derived from more complex and comprehensive formula used by governments around the world.

Gazelle SG

Nah, if I want to defend the regime, I dont have to do it here because you guys are just a bunch of computer hero.

My sole purpose here see how much BS can you post before someone catches you.

maurizio13 SG

You can't even understand simple logic. I am not the least bother by a fool calling me incapable. Hehehe

So I suppose the figures provided by Atobe from the Ministry of Trade and Industry is correct?

I showed you regression analysis, if you think you got some other method more profound, show it to me, else....., what is the point of talking about something which you cannot prove. You are making baseless arguments like always.

If you have those seasonal adjustments done by the authorities, show it to us then. If you don't have talk so much for what.

It's like I have a Honda, I showed my car to you, you say you have a Mercedes, but you can't show to me. Then what's the point of bringing up the Mercedes into the discussion.

You ever play poker? You say you have royal flush, show us your royal flush instead of showing us your poker face.

You didn't even rebut all my earlier post regarding the 70/30 allocation. All you ever do when you lose a discussion is to bring up new topics and hope that the topics which you lost in would just be buried under.

Be a man, don't be coward and keep running away. You make your claims, stand and fight for it.

Gazelle SG

You showed me the formula, but you havent been able to convince me that your numbers are any useful to be discussed. Since you talk like an expert in this field, could you be kind enough to comment if what our government is doing is correct?

http://www.singstat.gov.sg/papers/op/ip-e32.pdf

nah, your analogy is wrong, It is more like you keep telling us that your honda is fast but you dont even know how to drive.

nah, I perfer not to waste my time with talking to people who dont even knojw what they are talking about.

walesa SG

In most circumstances, acquiring a football club has got nothing to do with price money or TV revenue indeed.

However, if the prospective buyer were making an offer for the most marketable club (at least, in financial terms) in its bid to leverage on its position in the bargaining stakes to secure an advantage in brokering subsequent TV deals for the Premier League - which would have no trouble coming across as a direct conflict of interest to any sane and rational mind - that's quite another matter, isn't it?

I trust someone as shallow-minded as you wouldn't possibly see the point anyway. Perhaps, you might be interested in knowing why the Office of Fair Trading intervened to prevent that takeover from being completed.

Failing which, you could always stick to just watching football and give the discussion of the business implications a miss...

Are you sure you're even a football fan? Just analysing English Premier League clubs without clouding an already-convoluted picture for your simple mind, do you know the difference between a Premier League match from a Champions League/UEFA Cup (for the top clubs), FA Cup and a League Cup match? Or are you trying to tell me the Champions League/UEFA Cup, FA Cup, League Cup and Premier League are one and the same?

In the link I furnished in an earlier post, I've already highlighted the irrefutable fact that Premier League clubs get an equal basic cut of Sky's TV deal with the Premier League. I didn't say every club in the Premiership generates the same gate receipts, merchandising sales, Gate Receipts/Prize Money/TV money from other competitions (FA Cup, League Cup, European competitions), did I?

So what does your simple mind preclude you from understanding now?

maurizio13 SG

Obviously you don't know how to read, the link you provided does not contain the 3rd quarter figures for 2005 and 2006. What's the point of putting a useless link in your post? Since when I claim to be an expert in the field, I just did a simple regression analysis, you made that claim on your own accord. In fact, I told you in all my earlier post that I don't know how to do ARIMA, since you mentioned it, I asked that you provide me the figures to make better comparison with my figures.

If you can quote ARIMA, don't tell me you don't know simple linear regression and it's used in analysing the data you provided. I showed you the courtesy of providing you the current market price calculation for the regression, I think it's only proper that you do likewise and give me the figures for you ARIMA calculation.

Can't win your arguments now and claim that I don't know what I am talking about. Hehehe......

maurizio13 SG

To Walsea & Atobe:

I think we all face the same problem with Gazelle, he only sees what he wants to see, it's like 2 permanent blinkers at the side of his face. If you straddle him, all you have to do is tug at the leash and he'll turn wherever you want him to.

walesa SG

Have you ever wondered where the bulk of the income difference between the clubs of different standings in the Premier League come from?

Obviously, you haven't seen this given your naivety. Would you like to take a look at the "Premiership" column?

For simplicity, let's compare Manchester United and Chelsea to dispel your drivel that "the winner of the season will get the biggest pie of the TV renevnue". Should you conveniently decide to put some spin to your tale, you might wish to note we're only considering the income from Premier League matches since you so conveniently claimed that for the EPL, "the winner of the season will get the biggest pie of the TV revenue".

Manchester United's income for 2006/2007 stands at £30.58m, but their total income from TV is £16.86m (include the £8.9m plus further revenue through PPV and live games). Chelsea's income for 2006/2007 stands at £30.97m, but their total income from TV is £17.45m (include the £8.9m plus further revenue through PPV and live games). So, if your theory that "winner of the season will get the biggest pie of the TV revenue" held true, would you like to explain how is it possible that Chelsea have actually raked in more money than Manchester United in 2006/2007?

If you're running out of arguments, you may wish to enlighten me that it was Chelsea, and not Manchester United, that actually won the 2006/2007 Premier League... Wink

maurizio13 SG

Later he will claim that you know nothing and he doesn't see any point in talking to someone who doesn't know anything.

Hehehe......

walesa SG

It's not a problem, mate - it's a plague that confronts all the self-effacing sycophants around here... Laughing

Their logic, while outrageously illogical, make for comical reading nonetheless. Don't you think so? Wink

maurizio13 SG

Yah, no doubt about it, interesting.

Wonder where is horsey?

oxford mushroom SG

Bravo! Finally a hint of some insight remaining Mr. Green

maurizio13 SG

Looks like someone has a severe case of anal pruritis tonight.

Hehehe......

Gazelle SG

Originally posted by walesa:

Are you sure you're even a football fan? Just analysing English Premier League clubs without clouding an already-convoluted picture for your simple mind, do you know the difference between a Premier League match from a Champions League/UEFA Cup (for the top clubs), FA Cup and a League Cup match? Or are you trying to tell me the Champions League/UEFA Cup, FA Cup, League Cup and Premier League are one and the same?

In the link I furnished in an earlier post, I've already highlighted the irrefutable fact that Premier League clubs get an [b]equal basic cut of Sky's TV deal with the Premier League. I didn't say every club in the Premiership generates the same gate receipts, merchandising sales, Gate Receipts/Prize Money/TV money from other competitions (FA Cup, League Cup, European competitions), did I?

So what does your simple mind preclude you from understanding now?[/b]

Am I a football fan? Do you need to be a football fan to know how TV revenue are being distributed in the EPL?

Referring to your link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/05/14/ufncas14.xml

a) Did you realise the Chelsea earning from EPL is actually more than ManU, despite the fact that ManU is crowned the champion and they are the most profitable club in EPL?

b) If you rank the earning of the top 5 teams, did you realise that it is actually similar their table standing in 2005/6 season?

c) Did you realise the the earning mentioned in the website does NOT include gate collection?

"Premier League earnings: Prize money (max £9.7m, min £487,000); TV cash (£8.9million per club plus £340,000 or £250,000 for each live Sky game, depending on timing and whether PPV game); Overseas TV, sponsorship and licensing money (£4.02m per club)"

d) Did you realise that clubs are being paid £340,000 or £250,000 for each live Sky game, depending on timing and whether PPV game? Is this not TV revenue? do you think every club get equal no. of live matches?

e) If what you say is true, then why Watford only make £17.m while chelsea makes about £40m from EPL earning? Could you be kind enough to explain why there is such a big gap?

Gazelle SG

Originally posted by walesa:

Have you ever wondered where the bulk of the income difference between the clubs of different standings in the Premier League come from?

Obviously, you haven't seen this given your naivety. Would you like to take a look at the "Premiership" column?

For simplicity, let's compare Manchester United and Chelsea to dispel your drivel that [b]"the winner of the season will get the biggest pie of the TV renevnue". Should you conveniently decide to put some spin to your tale, you might wish to note we're only considering the income from Premier League matches since you so conveniently claimed that for the EPL, "the winner of the season will get the biggest pie of the TV revenue".

Manchester United's income for 2006/2007 stands at £30.58m, but their total income from TV is £16.86m (include the £8.9m plus further revenue through PPV and live games). Chelsea's income for 2006/2007 stands at £30.97m, but their total income from TV is £17.45m (include the £8.9m plus further revenue through PPV and live games). So, if your theory that "winner of the season will get the biggest pie of the TV revenue" held true, would you like to explain how is it possible that Chelsea have actually raked in more money than Manchester United in 2006/2007?

If you're running out of arguments, you may wish to enlighten me that it was Chelsea, and not Manchester United, that actually won the 2006/2007 Premier League... Wink [/b]

Like I mentioned please rank this year's top 5 teams earnings and compare to how these top 5 teams finish last season.

Running out of argument? nah...there is no need to argue, just stating facts is enough to bring out all your BS.

Gazelle SG

Hey dude, since you are the expert in time series regression analysis, I believe you should be the one that is in the best position to give us an insight into W-11 or W-12 ARIMA work because ultimately they are trying to analysis the same thing.

In the first place, what is your intention of bringing out this regression analysis? to question the capability and the numbers published by our government?

Yes, I have no doubt I know you know the formula about regression analysis, from text book, but my question to you is, are you capable of applying this formula in a real world situation like this?

Gazelle SG

For the benefits of those who have problem looking for statistic, here is a report card on sep 2006 hotel industry.

Gazelle SG

And for those idiot who trying to accuse the government of manipulating no. on tourists arrival and doing it for the sake of adding shi.t on top of their BS.

Tourist Arrival :
Refers to all the visitors who go through immigration clearance regardless of their length of stay. It excludes:

- All Malaysian citizens arriving by land
- Returning Singapore citizens residing abroad
- Non-resident air and sea crew (except for sea crew flying in to join a ship)
- All visitors arriving and leaving Singapore on the same ship/vessel, staying in Singapore for less than 24 hours and who are not required to complete the Disembarkation/Embarkation Card, if a passenger manifest is submitted
- All organised tour groups leaving Singapore for Johor Bahru, Batam and Bintan that are returning on the same day and are not required to fill up another Disembarkation / Embarkation card, if a passenger manifest is submitted
- Air transit passengers

maurizio13 SG

Hahaha......

The logic is, I showed you some simple regression analysis (you tell me I am an expert), then you profess to know more by bringing in ARIMA, I said I don't know how to use ARIMA, but you insist that I do the calculation because you can't do it.

Hahaha.....

If you can bring up ARIMA, you should be able to provide me with the figures, I don't know ARIMA, but I know regression analysis, so I provided the figures for regression analysis.

Lamer!!!

I guess you are the only sucker that believes everything he reads.

Already told you before, in any case, your memory failed you again. If you do calculation for simple parabolic motion in classroom, you do might not take into account the air resistance, but overall, the calculation shouldn't deviate too much from the real world.

You are just squirming your way out because you have run out of points to argue.

maurizio13 SG

Obviously you don't understand the meaning of the word estimated.

Hahaha.... Laughing

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