Above 35 means jobless

last SG · 2007-06-06T15:42:57+00:00

This is true..once u hit 35 ..u are almost game over in job market. I was talking to this taxi driver...he has a master from uni of virginia ..but after ret...

Mid9Sun SG

lets ask ourselves....are we easily being replaced by FTs or fresh grads....

...........i think most of us will wince at the the thought.......

ispyyy SG

Ya... actually, this is very disturbing for me too... though, my peers that are after 35 shared their real life experience with me but I still feel unsecure... haha... tat is y I read all views in this topc. But to my disappointment, most of views blame everything except themself. Few views are constructive. Well... I guess I will just have to follow the flow... and need to be competive in order to survive lor...

forumer84 SG

This thread reminds me of a ST article recently which said that a survey showed that more and more s'poreans are more than happy to work after the age of 62. They do so cos they r afraid they may not have enuf savings to retire on and cos of boredom. The article even said the govt encourage them and dat it was a good thing.

Let me ask something. Which normal human being in the world does not want to retire and enjoy life in their golden years? The article is written in such a way that as though working thru ur golden years is something to be proud of,so noble to contribute to GDP and to the wallets of those at the top whose bank accounts are bursting wif their millions of peanuts(dollars) salary.That article was one of the crappiest piece of s**t i ever saw.

One thing i learnt abt reading local papers is dat it hones my CRITICAL thinking skills.Even better than learning GP. Mr. Green

oxford mushroom SG

There is a quota, not in absolute numbers but as a percentage:

S Pass: For middle level skilled manpower e.g. technicians.

S Pass applicants are assessed using a points system that takes into consideration their salary, qualifications, skills, work experience and job type. S Pass applicants must be minimally paid a fixed monthly salary of $1,800. There is a 10% quota for S Pass holders at the company level, and a levy of $50 applies for each S Pass holder. S Pass holders paid a fixed monthly salary of more than $2,500 qualify for dependant privileges.

Pass (Work Permit):For semi-skilled and unskilled foreign workers that do not qualify for S Passes.

Source country restrictions apply for all industry sectors. For instance, Services sector companies are allowed to recruit R Pass workers from Malaysia, Hong Kong, Macau, South Korea and Taiwan only. Companies employing R Pass workers are also subjected to the prevailing sectoral controls such as dependency ratio and levy. R Pass holders are not eligible for dependant privileges. Work Permits are also issued to foreign domestic workers.

So FT from China and India are not allowed to work on R Passes in service sector companies whilst FT with S Passes are limited to 10% quota at the comapny level.

There is no quota for professionals, managers, executives and specialists who are paid at least $2,500.

(http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal/en/communities/work_pass/overview_of_work_passes.html)

dragg SG

me too.

Crying or Very sad

ShutterBug SG

Precisely the issue here; if people are hard put to find employment pass 35, how does our gov expect people's children to support them in old age? Unless of course your children studied abroad in some prestigeous University, graduates there, and returns (which is hardly the norm) to find gainful employment. But chances are often usual that they stay abroad, get married and never returns - pulling the parents over in the process.

So within this issue of aged-descrimination in employment, lies the local brain and talent drain...unfortunately, our know-it-all gov chooses to be blind to all this happening before their eyes!

maggot SG

Seems the word 30 or plus is a plague..... Sad

foomwee88 SG

One solution is to get into business as young as 30 plus and venture into overseas where cost is low and make yr days there and then migrate to a cheap and nice place (after u had sold yr house in Sinkapore)2gether with yr next generation.

Arapahoe SG

I think the case of Singapore job market is really having nobody but we ourselves to blame. At the end of the day who make the hiring decision ? who cultivate these behavior. As a matter of fact for professional individual at the age between 35 to 40 yrs old, the person performances level is at its best because individual would have 6 to 8 yrs of relevant work experience. They know the do's n don't. What is unfortunate is the interviewer is younger than the interviewee and the synergy does not match.

Here is a typical likely scenario of a Male individual career path.

1) start up in the mid 20's (with a basic degree and completed NS.)
2) spend 3 years in the first jobs
3) change job and get a higher pay
4) Move to a junior mgr position ( 3 - 4 years moving into specializing industry)
5) Change job move to a regional position or higher position. (continue in specialized sectors)

Recession...., 911...., SAR, bird flu,.....Corporate restructuring. Terminated.

Start all over.

6) taxi driver, start up catering, start up .com, start up foodcourt stall, start up delivery, (duration 1 yr)

7) back to work force, if fortunate you can still take another job with equal pay, or take a lower paid.

Cool if cant find any jobs look for a way out go oversea.

Importing FT is a short term solution to Singapore dilemma. What I think the Gov has fail over and over again is not enough help for local Singapore companies to either venture outside of Singapore or develop internal market. I think at the end of the day, It is Singapore company that are job retainer. Not MNC.

Personally, I survived thru 97 Asia Financial woe, encounter 2 recession, within 8 years, but came 911 all regional operation stops. I cant possibility retired before 40, so I left Singapore at the first sign of opportunity. At the end of the day I owe my success to my effort.

foomwee88 SG

But still a dog!!!Why????

No $,I think!!!be a dog 2 earn @ like OM fake dog!!!

BadzMaro SG

Originally posted by oxford mushroom:

There is a quota, not in absolute numbers but as a percentage:

S Pass: For middle level skilled manpower e.g. technicians.

S Pass applicants are assessed using a points system that takes into consideration their salary, qualifications, skills, work experience and job type. S Pass applicants must be minimally paid a fixed monthly salary of $1,800. [b]There is a 10% quota for S Pass holders at the company level, and a levy of $50 applies for each S Pass holder. S Pass holders paid a fixed monthly salary of more than $2,500 qualify for dependant privileges.

Pass (Work Permit):For semi-skilled and unskilled foreign workers that do not qualify for S Passes.

Source country restrictions apply for all industry sectors. For instance, Services sector companies are allowed to recruit R Pass workers from Malaysia, Hong Kong, Macau, South Korea and Taiwan only. Companies employing R Pass workers are also subjected to the prevailing sectoral controls such as dependency ratio and levy. R Pass holders are not eligible for dependant privileges. Work Permits are also issued to foreign domestic workers.

So FT from China and India are not allowed to work on R Passes in service sector companies whilst FT with S Passes are limited to 10% quota at the comapny level.

There is no quota for professionals, managers, executives and specialists who are paid at least $2,500.

(http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal/en/communities/work_pass/overview_of_work_passes.html)[/b]

yup yup~ at least still got protect sg citizen rights ah. How many ppls in the class of the s-pass workers in sg ?

foomwee88 SG

Why u reply 2 him ,he is a dog!!!!! Laughing

Arapahoe SG

Sorry for until now I have no clue what u r trying to say? Can you please write what you want to say and don't write what you mean?

sgdiehard SG

Many people cannot cope with the hard facts of life, disillusioned, frustrated, bitter....partly due to the government, born in the wrong family, but I think they have to bear most of the responsibilities. If he were as old as he said, he had chances to make the difference, and if he hadn't, he can still blame the government, because the PAP government has created an environment that has little tolerance for those who can make it. But you still has himself to blame, the most.

However, the way the frustration comes out from his mouth reflects his bearing and virtue, or rather the absence of self restraint. Hope in real life he does not go f ing around. Embarassed If he really has two grown up sons, I wonder if he would ask his sons to f themselves when they disagreed with him.

Anyway, one of the most important functions of this forum is for people to vent their frustration.... can't take anything here seriously.

spinsugar SG

Right. Well the problem can't be serious, since we have not seen much coverage in our responsible media on the people supposedly suffering from this horrendous fate. Our media is very responsible you know, they will surely be keen to dutifully expose such atrocities. Our government is the best in the world too and will never do anything to hurt their own people! Why, it may even have been an elaborate conjuration of the opposition to undermine support for the ruling party!

*dramatic gasp, swoons* Oh the thought!! Quick, fix the opposition! Buy the votes!

sourketchup SG

Originally posted by spinsugar:
Right. Well the problem can't be serious, since we have not seen much coverage in our responsible media on the people supposedly suffering from this horrendous fate. Our media [b]is very responsible you know, they will surely be keen to dutifully expose such atrocities. Our government is the best in the world too and will never do anything to hurt their own people! Why, it may even have been an elaborate conjuration of the opposition to undermine support for the ruling party!

*dramatic gasp, swoons* Oh the thought!! Quick, fix the opposition! Buy the votes![/b]

Mr. Green

mistyblue SG

chances of getting/changing job above 30 is low.
chances of getting/changing job with large pay cut is high.
chances of getting/changing in to a low pay job if you are highly educated, is low.
I am at near singapore's unoffical unemployment age of grand old 35. Job market is tough and all the hype on TV is just hype. So many people just repeat the media propaganda. Reality is staring in our faces if we even bother to see it. Look at the number of Taxis, people in low paying jobs and etc.

So don't bother to study so hard, or work so hard. Other than elites, the rest of the population can only hope to be a cab drivers, toilet cleaners, road sweepers, dish washers, burger flippers and other low level jobs if the bangala or the old people didn't get to it first. PRC, Foreigners and even bangalas might get into better jobs than locals. Trying to make ends meet in singapore will continue to be harder and harder and this is not a welfare state. Ask our resident member: dragg.. BTW, where is he?

de_middle SG

i would very much like to disagree with TS........but i do recruitment myself, discrimination is alway practised......do u know how easy it is to trash a resume Laughing

It's happening...............the cheapest gets the job.........that's a FACT

fire & ice SG

sad to say, i not even 35, already discriminated…. ladies just don’t seem to fare any better and even worse i think…...

weiqimun SG

age aside, the odd thing here is FT is given so much weightage here, locals are treated like pariah....

I m in australia now [not permanently (yet)] and most of whom i speak to told me that aussie employers prefer local first. the barrier for FTs is so much higher for the same job. i think the same applies to many countries as well...another uniquely singapore trait.

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