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oxford mushroom SG

Go ask around. Investment managers in their 20s are earning close to a million dollars. Financial managers in London earn a million pounds last Christmas as bonus...Locally, Bank CEOs earn 5 million dollars a year. If we want people of that calibre to run our economy, 20million for the whole team is not much.

Tony Tan as OCBC Chairman and head of Sembawang Shipyard would have taken a big pay cut by being DPM. Similarly, Ng Eng Hen as a br_east surgeon in private practice would have been earning more than a million a year without the stress of a minister.

The responsibility upon a cabinet minister is great. We need people who have shown they can manage a large corporation or have shown themselves to be especially bright. Vivian Balakrishnan was running SGH as its CEO before joinging politics. He had to run a complex organization like a tertiary hospital with an annual turnover of a billion. What have the likes of Chiam See Tong, Chee Soon Juan, Low Thia Kiang and Sylvia Lim have in terms of management experience? Who do you think Morgan Stanley will recruit if they need a manager? Vivian Balakrishnan or Chee Soon Juan?

oxford mushroom SG

Pot calling the kettle black. I have never seen anything I consider useful coming from you either.

Can the western liberal press with its own interests be expected to tell us what is right for us and how we should run our nation? You are trying to push us back into the fold of colonialism again. Only Singaporeans have the right to decide what kind of a country this should be.

It is utter hypocrisy to deride the government for suppressing alternative views when you are so quick to dismiss any view that differs from yours. Incidentally, we hold the majority view, as reflected in the polls again...and again...and again....and again.....

iveco SG

Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Go ask around. Investment managers in their 20s are earning close to a million dollars. Financial managers in London earn a million pounds last Christmas as [b]bonus...Locally, Bank CEOs earn 5 million dollars a year. If we want people of that calibre to run our economy, 20million for the whole team is not much.

Tony Tan as OCBC Chairman and head of Sembawang Shipyard would have taken a big pay cut by being DPM. Similarly, Ng Eng Hen as a br_east surgeon in private practice would have been earning more than a million a year without the stress of a minister.

The responsibility upon a cabinet minister is great. We need people who have shown they can manage a large corporation or have shown themselves to be especially bright. Vivian Balakrishnan was running SGH as its CEO before joinging politics. He had to run a complex organization like a tertiary hospital with an annual turnover of a billion. What have the likes of Chiam See Tong, Chee Soon Juan, Low Thia Kiang and Sylvia Lim have in terms of management experience? Who do you think Morgan Stanley will recruit if they need a manager? Vivian Balakrishnan or Chee Soon Juan? [/b]

The fact is that LTK was denied a chance at management because his party wasn't the one in power. He would have made an excellent education minister if he had been given that portfolio.

The gift of hindsight is important. Unfortunately, it is impossible to turn the clocks back. We can only draw lessons from the past and steer clear of old mistakes.

walesa SG

Yeah, John Mack (Morgan Stanley CEO) and Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman Sachs CEO) were entitled to a USD40 million and USD87 million bonus respectively in 2006. In Blankfein's case, his achievements included presiding over a firm which yielded a record USD14.6 billion pre-tax profits. These people are paid the kind of money they're without having need to ask for it, much less write their own paychecks.

So have the write-our-own-paycheck thugs here got the sort of credentials to justify that kind of money? Why don't you try asking one of the clowns in the current cabinet to defect to Morgan Stanley or Goldman Sachs then? Chances of some fascist in the cabinet becoming the CEO (or the top executives) of Morgan Stanley or Goldman Sachs aren't greater than having an illiterate winning the Nobel Prize in Literature.

All that before you consider the thugs you've got here are not just talking about paying themselves "competitive salaries", but also helping themselves to "pensions" - you don't see Mack and Blankfein making a case for pensions, do you?

maurizio13 SG

Hehehe, stupid reasoning, pay alot of money to get the best people.

If your faucet is leaky; do you look for a Ph.D in Literature to fix it? He is highly educated, but does he know how to fix the leaky faucet. Or do you get a Ph.D in Literature to do your taxes?

Likewise, if you're sick, you don't look for an Economist.

What makes a good politician?

They only groping in the dark for an excuse to increase salary.

soul_rage SG

Why are you still comparing with the private industry?

I said again, a private sector leader MAY NOT make a good PUBLIC SERVICE leader, becoz the requirements of the job are different.

Private Sector leader = good leader in public service?

Its like telling me our ministers can join the English Premier League and play as good as Beckham or Ronaldino

As again, we should be attracting OTHER public service leaders to work for Singapore. Din you read my mail properly?

Instead of paying STUPIDLY (200k/MONTH), we should get other countries leaders, pay them twice their salary to come and help Singapore, and still save LOTS of money (compared to NOW) in the process

They are TESTED AND PROVEN in the public service. So why din you answer my queries, instead of still making apples and oranges comparisons?

soul_rage SG

I am also curious why you avoid my question as well, on why these leaders are paid SO MUCH MORE than ALL LEADERS in the world, when we are a small little dot?

Is it so difficult to run a small city like this, where the people are all afraid of expressing their views, and even if expressed, cannot do much about any unhappiness?

Again you miss my point, so let me make this point easier for you to understand

Assuming we take politicians as an industry.

The most expensive politician in the world, for example, is paid say only $200k/year.

To attract the best, instead of paying maybe 400k/year, you pay 200k/month.

Now, is that STUPIDITY?

You said you want TRIED and TESTED. So we should get the talents from that industry, and not footballers, or private sector leaders.

walesa SG

He has trouble coming to terms with the fact that any alternative systems to those churned out by the fascists are actually workable...

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Please come up with a more creative and valid argument.

Is anyone quick to dismiss your views or do your views simply crumble under the own weight of their illogic? Please do not blame others if you come up with something stupid.

Polls conducted by who? The 154th? For whom?

And who is this "we" who is part of your fictional army? Where are they? Laughing

And what margin of majority? A 16.6 percent? A percentage that has SHRUNK since the margin of 2000?

And please don't try to tell the joke that all or even most of 66.6% actually had an active choice in the matter or are they on political autopilot?

On the other hand, can general apathy be said to be the same of the other 33.4%?

As I am afraid to inform you, you're are both the kettle, and the pot.
Laughing

oxford mushroom SG

Hear hear! Having lost the elections repeatedly and not even being able to persuade enough supporters to stand for elections, you are now saying the democratic instrument of public elections does not reflect the voice of the people Mr. Green Suppose you prefer military coups instead Smile

66.6% is a majority. 82 out of 84 seats is a overwhelming majority. 12 out of 12 victories at the General Elections since 1959 is an unthinkable majority. But alas! the brain of the dinosaur is pea-sized...no wonder they became extinct Laughing

walesa SG

So I suppose any activity conducted in a manner that remotely resembles an election is free and fair, eh?

From Cuba to Nigeria, Singapore to Zimbabwe - they must all be democracies that truly reflect the views of the electorate... Cool

soul_rage SG

I am 'stunned' as to why you are not answering my questions. Perhaps its because you are like our PM, not able to answer because it is no longer justifiable?

Again, 66.6% is the percentage that support PAP, of the voters who voted. Again, I said, how many people in Singapore got to vote? Its not the majority of voters, it was the MINORITY of voters that got to vote.

So its hardly a mandate.

Also its hardly surprising that they win by so much a margin, given the tactics they use:
- Scare tactic (place a serial no. on the voting slip so that people think its traceable)
- Prevention tactic (create GRCs, redraw boundaries, kill the opposition, sue, sue, sue, so that every election, only a MINORITY get to vote)
- Threat tactics (use of Upgrading of Flats as a weaponry, when PAP IS NOT EQUAL to the govt, and upgrading expenses come from taxpayers' money)

Given the above, its hardly a surprise that they keep winning. *shrugs*

Such tactics are only workable on the older generation. They do not work anymore for the younger generation.

maurizio13 SG

Hehehe.....

Giving out large progress packages just before election to influence voters, then taking back all the progress package payouts by increasing price of essentials and GST.

soul_rage SG

So oxford mushroom has abandoned this thread after he cannot answer the questions any further?

Does that mean he is blindly supporting the govt to leech off his money?

Or is he a foreigner that is reaping all the benefits being in Singapore, and so can talk all the nonsense, as it doesn't affect him?

oxford mushroom SG

Illogical rants do not dignify a response

soul_rage SG

mind explaining why its illogical?

mind explaining why my points are invalid?

Come on, don't give one-liners when you cannot argue anymore, when you find that you no longer have any reasons to come up with.

You are just like the govt, and I see why you love them so much. Coz you behave like them, arrogant and conceited, and think you are ALWAYS right.

Many of the forumlites here, whom do not like the PAP, are open to accepting that the PAP is right.

You? I have yet to see you being gracious in defeat yet.

hawkeye1819 SG

How much is he making now? Why they never mention?

maurizio13 SG

To the catatonic, everything is illogical.

Mr. Green

LazerLordz SG

It's easy to have thinking done by others. Laughing

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