Downsides of Down under

last SG · 2006-12-22T20:35:29+00:00

Yeah he cracks me up ... Joke's on him though.

Gedanken SG

Good point.

+1 Laughing

lionnoisy SG

pl share how you feel Almost one in 10 Australians has tried methamphetamines at least once,....About half a million Australians have used methamphetamines in the past year.(crystal methamphetamine is "ice",)---http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/exposed-the-new-illicit-drug-scourge/2007/01/29/1169919278504.html

2.Who says A democratic and free country is necessarily come
with serious drugs problems?Oh it is ok if you think the situation
is not too bad.Any way,my kids is not in Aussie yet.

bigmouthjoe SG

Noisy siah, give me something about Tibet. I’m more interested in Tibet, why you and gazelle always talk about Australia. You kena bully in Australia before is it? Siah lah, go tell your MP you kena bully lah…

Gedanken SG

Good point.

+1 Laughing

bigmouthjoe SG

Hey at least in Australia they really support democracy. No sure how much lah, but it's the thought that counts... In Singapore I think it's Opposition go and die.

Political parties are funded by contributions from their membership and by individuals and organizations which share their political ideas or who stand to benefit from their activities. Ardent supporters may will their estate to the party of their persuasion. Political parties and factions, especially those in government, are lobbied vigorously by organizations, businesses and special interest groups such as trades unions. Money and gifts to a party, or its members, may be offered as incentives. In the United Kingdom, it has been alleged that peerages have been awarded to contributors to party funds, the benefactors becoming members of the Upper House of Parliament and thus being in a position to participate in the legislative process. Famously, Lloyd George was found to have been selling peerages and to prevent such corruption in future, Parliament passed the Honours (Prevention of Abuses) Act 1925 into law. Thus the outright sale of peerages and similar honours became a criminal act, however some benefactors are alleged to have attempted to circumvent this by cloaking their contributions as loans, giving rise to the 'Cash for Peerages' scandal. Such activities have given rise to demands that the scale of donations should be capped. As the costs of electioneering escalate, so the demands made on party funds increases. In the UK some politicians are advocating that parties should be funded by the State; a proposition that promises to give rise to interesting debate. Along with the increased scrutiny of donations there has been a long term contraction in party memberships in a number of western democracies which itself places more strains on funding. For example in the United Kingdom and Australia membership of the two main parties in 2006 is less than an 1/8 of what it was in 1950, despite significant increases in population over that period.

Some nations, such as Australia, give political parties public funding for advertising purposes during election periods.

Gedanken SG

Joe, the SG garbement is already funded by Temasek, with co-sponsorship by Courts - whoops, the courts. Mr. Green Any other donations from private concerns would be like a mouse trying to rape an elephant. Laughing

bigmouthjoe SG

What about the poor WPs?

lionnoisy SG

No one can tell me any up sides of Downunder.

Do you think all the political donations in the western countries just to
promote the freedom and democracy in respective country?

Dunt be so naive.The donations is another form of investments--
to put on in plain English---bribe and corruptions!!

I would rather ''bribe'' the leaders in one fixed lump sum---
fixed salary.All are human being and cant resist too much
tempations---except CSJ.

You give low pay to politicians and they look for donations--
some are under the table.

Pick the best option.

New laws make it even harder to see who donates to political parties,Misha Schubert , Canberra,February 2, 2007

...
Casino magnate Stanley Ho, whose son Lawrence is in partnership with James Packer's PBL, donated $109,000 to Labor including $48,000 to have lunch with NSW Premier Morris Iemma.

Kowloon property developer Chau Wing, who owns the Sydney Chinese-language newspaper The New Express, gave the Liberals $100,000.

Annual returns released yesterday reveal that the major parties profited handsomely from shrouded income streams....

----http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/new-laws-make-it-even-harder-to-see-who-donates-to-politicalparties/2007/02/01/1169919472327.html

2.Our democracy encourages corruption and undue influence,February 2, 2007---by Joo-Cheong Tham, a senior law lecturer at Melbourne University. With Sally Young, senior lecturer in media and communications at the University of Melbourne, he is the co-author of a report on Australian political finance for the Democratic Audit of Australia.

Membership of this fund-raising arm of the Victorian ALP would have entitled them to attend closed-door ministerial briefings by Premier Steve Bracks and Treasurer John Brumby. Such secret meetings give rise, at the very least, to an apprehension of undue influence and corruption.

---http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/our-democracy-encourages-corruption-and-undue-influence/2007/02/01/1169919469189.html

Gedanken SG

Good point.

+1 Laughing

Gedanken SG

If anybody gives $1 to the WPs, the courts will arrange to take another $10. Who's got the resources to spend 11 times Temasek's blood money? Laughing

Gedanken SG

Yup, pay them an onscene salary and they'll be bribe-proof, right? Rolling Eyes

It's pretty clear who the really naive one is. Laughing

bigmouthjoe SG

+1

Neither can you tell me any up sides of the new generation of MIW leaders... Laughing

If we find it hard to come up with any up sides, perhaps it's because we don't stay in Australia... but for someone staying in Singapore, I think we know the good and bad better than anyone else...

Originally posted by lionnoisy:
No one can tell me any up sides of Downunder.

Do you think all the political donations in the western countries just to
promote the freedom and democracy in respective country?

Dunt be so naive.The donations is another form of investments--
to put on in plain English---bribe and corruptions!!

I would rather ''bribe'' the leaders in one fixed lump sum---
fixed salary.All are human being and cant resist too much
tempations---except CSJ.

You give low pay to politicians and they look for donations--
some are under the table.

Pick the best option.

[b]New laws make it even harder to see who donates to political parties,Misha Schubert , Canberra,February 2, 2007
---http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/our-democracy-encourages-corruption-and-undue-influence/2007/02/01/1169919469189.html[/b]

will4 SG

Greed is prevalent in developed n developing countries. Huge salary cannot guranteed free from corruption.

Gedanken SG

Joe, do you honestly think this guy's interested in hearing about any upsides, especially since he's started a thread about downsides? As far as what he's written shows, the only thing he's interested in is droning on and on and on and on with mindless cut-and-paste jobs, to the point where he's numbed even himself so much that he's equated letters from the public with government policy. Laughing

I live in Australia, and so does fymk, but if we do talk about the upsides here as we do in other threads, won't it be a waste of effort?

Gedanken SG

You know it, I know it. Mr Cut-and-Paste has obviously eaten too much glue to notice the obvious. Laughing

lionnoisy SG

2.i am waiting for anyone to tell me the good points of Aussie.
A copy of Application of Aussie PR is right in front of me.
Give me the reasons then i wil engage a lawyer to apple for me.

But i have been waiting for some 72 hours and no one tell me
a single reason in I love Aussie.It is so sad that the topics is closed by MOD.

I stop cut and paste now and listening to all of you.

Dunt change the topics to SG MIW etc.Tell me now,NOW ,NOW.
Why do u love Aussie?Tell me NOW!!

Gedanken SG

Good point.

+1 Laughing

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Dunt change the topics to SG MIW etc.Tell me now,NOW ,NOW.
Why do u love Aussie?Tell me NOW!!

Since it's obvious lionnoisy is just here to make noise, as opposed to actually having a balanced debate on the pros and cons of Australia.

As much as he claims to show one side of the coin, it seems to me that his coin only has one side, and he is not really interested in hearing anything other then that.

In the light of this, it seems to me the best thing to do is just to ignore him... after all if he chooses to celebrate ignorance... by all means so be it. Why be an instrument of his ignorance?

For his kind of posts, the best response it this:

+1

bangkokboy SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

I am waiting for anyone to tell me the good points of Aussie.
A copy of Application of Aussie PR is right in front of me.
Give me the reasons then i wil engage a lawyer to apple for me.

But i have been waiting for some 72 hours and no one tell me
a single reason in [b]I love Aussie.It is so sad that the topics is closed by MOD.

I stop cut and paste now and listening to all of you.

Dunt change the topics to SG MIW etc.Tell me now,NOW ,NOW.
Why do u love Aussie?Tell me NOW!![/b]

Be in the country you like, why listen to what others say. If others say Singapore sucks but you think it's great, just ignore them.

Mmh I am sure you have no intention whatsoever to shift base to Australia, anyway I do hope that you don't move to Australia for I have reasons to suspect that your life would be very miserable there.

vito_corleone SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

2.i am waiting for anyone to tell me the good points of Aussie.
A copy of Application of Aussie PR is right in front of me.
Give me the reasons then i wil engage a lawyer to apple for me.

But i have been waiting for some 72 hours and no one tell me
a single reason in [b]I love Aussie.It is so sad that the topics is closed by MOD.

I stop cut and paste now and listening to all of you.

Dunt change the topics to SG MIW etc.Tell me now,NOW ,NOW.
Why do u love Aussie?Tell me NOW!![/b]

you want a lawyer to APPLE for you? Laughing

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