Matters of Chee's

last SG · 2006-06-20T23:35:13+00:00

The more people listen and understand why Chee chose this path, the better. We may not agree with his ideas fully, but we have to acknowledge his gumption....

lionnoisy SG

CSJ suggest foreign medias launched a mass pull
put :

If the foreign media, having tolerated abuse and humiliation for so long, should decide that enough is enough and collectively pull out of Singapore (as a couple of news organizations already have), businesses and investors would need to re-evaluate their positions in the city-state.

2.Sg get few billion sg Dolloars of fixed investmeny fr foreign investos.
do u think they will decide base on other peoples decisions?

Atobe SG

Why are you afraid to post the article in full ?

It must be too embarrassing to the ones you loved ?

2.Sg get few billion sg Dolloars of fixed investmeny fr foreign investos.
do u think they will decide base on other peoples decisions?

Why do you think there is a herd instinct for the rush into China ?

Was it not the intention of A*Star to rope in one big name investor, so that it will help to influence some other potential 'big name investor' ?

lionnoisy SG

just a click caN READ all lah.why have to occupy space here?

2.our western media's sweetie CSJ call for march during IMF-WBank meeting.

3.they can sleep tonite .they know they will have some news/photo to
submit for WB-IMF meeting .

LazerLordz SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:
just a click caN READ all lah.why have to occupy space here?

2.[b]our western media's sweetie CSJ call for march during IMF-WBank meeting.

3.they can sleep tonite .they know they will have some news/photo to
submit for WB-IMF meeting .

[/b]

someone like you would never know the intricacies of NGOs and civil society operations. all you ever do is to shout your agenda and never engage in deep research.

lionnoisy SG

2.Then u know the intricacies of NGOs and civil society operation?
Pl tell us more.Pl dunt dance following the western democracy rythm!
they can do what they like,i can air my views.OK?
what kind of RD i need to do?

3.

The democratic Taiwan govt bought 6600 razor sharp barrier
to control people march

4.
chee just
critize,at home and overseas.
But he never has a complete alternative policies:

Two, to highlight the plight of poor and working Singaporeans.

what are his genius polices to solve the problems?
He just look thru the western books !!
if It is so easy,why people in SEA still suffer.
Oh no sorry.In the eyes of CSJ,they dunt suffer,for they can
enjoy protests,march,throw govt over night.

But they dunt have a roof,no clean water,enough foods on the
table.

5.Do these SEA people have freedoms not to be:
unemployed
live in slums
no clean water
no school
no hospital
suffer high crime rate?

6.price of democracy that Hong kong people have to
pay:

Singers Twins
shot by hidden cam in Genting

pron like photo easy accessiable to kids

just a small sum of fine will not deterr magazines to
show pron like photo on the cover.
pron photo is fine to me.but have to be placed on the right
place.

7.The most selling Chinese newspapers Oriental and Apples
in HK are full of Advertisements of ''bars'' ''massages'' and male
and female prostitues,in classified and whole pages.
buy 1 copy when in HK.

In HK,all brothels are controlled by gansters.

Atobe SG

These problems were not created by CSJ, but he made an effort and contributed his ideas and proposals written in his books.

Did you try to read those books before shooting wildly against him, or did you simply dismiss him and his books with advance biasness ?

"Do these SEA people have freedoms " to choose their Government in the Single Party monopolistic politics of SEA ?

Do you think there are no brothels or gangsters in Singapore ?

Can we believe that the brothels that exist in Singapore are owned by the Government - since licences have been given to the brothels and to the girls to provide their specialised services in designated and officially sanctioned areas, without police interference ?

What do you think exist in the daily New Paper classified advertisements ?

Do we not see a multitude of advertisements offering exotic massages, one-to-one sweet talk at 1-900-xxxxx numbers ?

Grow up and assert yourself as an Adult Singaporean, or do you intend to cling on to PAPa's apron strings, after the 'mama' has been worn out by your unsupporting attention ?

redstone SG

Originally posted by Atobe:

Do you think there are no brothels or gangsters in Singapore ?

Can we believe that the brothels that exist in Singapore are owned by the Government - since licences have been given to the brothels and to the girls to provide their specialised services in designated and officially sanctioned areas, without police interference ?

What do you think exist in the daily New Paper classified advertisements ?

Do we not see a multitude of advertisements offering exotic massages, one-to-one sweet talk at 1-900-xxxxx numbers ?

Grow up and assert yourself as an Adult Singaporean, or do you intend to cling on to [b]PAPa's apron strings, after the 'mama' has been worn out by your unsupporting attention ?

[/b]

City zoning by the Govt, Police and URA.

Brothels are allocated to only certain areas.
Like you can't build a hotel right in the middle of a HDB estate.
Even the entertainment areas (bars/discos) are allocated in designated areas.

Atobe SG

Originally posted by redstone:

City zoning by the Govt, Police and URA.

Brothels are allocated to only certain areas.
Like you can't build a hotel right in the middle of a HDB estate.
Even the entertainment areas (bars/discos) are allocated in designated areas.

Yes..... does that mean that the Brothels are not operated by the 'under-world' ?

Or are these operated by 'government linked companies' - since these 'enterprises' are licensed operations ?

lionnoisy SG

in the eyes of CSJ,most of us are mice--blind mice.

Lemminghood is an innate psychological phenomenon, present in most mammals and observable in common people as well the most sophisticated and educated elites.

Lemminghood is not an intellectual phenomenon -- it is psychological. As such, no socio-economic class is immune to its strangulating effect. A grant-seeking university scientist can be a lemming just as much as a fashion obsessed teen-age girl. One blindly follows the latest trendy theory while the other blindly follows the latest trendy clothing style. What's the difference? Neither can resist the force of nature. The power to fit in with one's social peers can be irresistible.

....
At all costs, their beliefs must always be on the "right" side of the issue and conform within the boundaries of their lemming peers. Lemmings simply cannot bear the burden of responsibility, or the discomfort, which comes with thinking independently. They'll resist any efforts to change their misguided beliefs with all their mental energy. We can try to open their closed minds and free them from their self-imposed blindness, but it is not easy fighting the force of human nature.

Atobe SG

Paragraph 1 :
CSJ had referred this uniqueness to mammals and common people - especially those who are the " most sophisticated and educated elites ".

Is there anything common about Singaporeans that we can place our finger on ?

Not all Singaporeans will consider ourselves to be in that exclusive " most sophisticated and educated elites " - so how did you come to the conclusion that CSJ was referring to "most of us are mice - blind mice" ?

Are you having some kind of guilt complex to think that you are included in that group that CSJ had referred to as - "most of us" ?

By extension, are you not being self-assuming to think that you will belong to the group which CSJ had also referred to as " most sophisticated and educated elites " ?

Judging from your contents posted, CSJ will be quite disappointed with your being included.

Paragraph 2
Is CSJ wrong in his observations expressed that:
"One blindly follows the latest trendy theory while the other blindly follows the latest trendy clothing style "; and that "The power to fit in with one's social peers can be irresistible" ?

Paragraph 3
Is it not true that most Singaporeans " simply cannot bear the burden of responsibility, or the discomfort, which comes with thinking independently " - and prefer to follow the safest route thought most acceptable by the larger group.

Even when one knows that the P.O.O. will be too strong for our own good, and that it is better to have more members from the Alternative Parties to serve as checks to abuses of powers - it remains uncomfortable that one has to be the deciding factor that will open an imagined pandora box that place our future in fearful doubt.

Is it not true also that - the more educated Singaporeans will resist any efforts to change their misguided beliefs - {of walking the well trodden path} - with all their mental energy.... and We can try to open their closed minds and free them from their self-imposed blindness, but it is not easy fighting the force of human nature..

We can bring the horse to the water, but we cannot force the horse to drink.

lionnoisy SG

have Chee
filed their defence?

This time he started the proceedings earlier, just before the campaign period. We wanted to challenge the Lees and to let the matter go to trial as we refused to be intimidated by them. We filed in our defence and planned to call on expert witnesses to testify at the trial.

2.i remember Chees did not file their defence.Thats why the Lees submitted an application to the Supreme Court for summary judgment against them.If
Chees did file defence,Chee have a chance to cross exam LEEs.

3.Did Ms Chee lie here?

lionnoisy SG

does csj intende to mislead ?

It is unthinkable that foreigners are allowed to protest while the owners of this country are prohibited from doing the same. It is like having guests in our homes and dining at our table while our caretaker whom we have employed turns around and locks us, the owners and hosts, up in the toilet.

2.sporean can hold indoor rally without license provided that sensitive topics
like race and religion not involved.

3.all rally involved foreigners must be licenced.

lionnoisy SG

the show must go on

western media:polish ur lens and have a good shot
of CSJ taken away by SPF.

CosmoKing SG

those that dare challenge the tyrants are usually condemned into bankruptcy, forced to flee the country, or sympathetically labelled as lunatics. Lesson of the day - ordinary mortals; and even if you are a person of means, must shudder and pay obeisance at every mention of their names on tv, print, radio, sms, and the internet...otherwise one will see strange men in white stalking their surroundings..remember 'Paranoia And Paranoia', that is where every citizen should not question such to avoid any strange afflictions Laughing

kopikid SG

i just love this guy.
he gives me the feeling he wants to pull us all out of the shit hole yet get something in return tho.

but who cares i'll rather try to be in another shit hole then this 1 maybe the other shit hole had more freedom it would be better...at least then u can climb out of it..n not just get stucked in it...

lionnoisy SG

In response to information from the public at about noon on Sunday 10 Sep 06,(2006) Police officers arrived at Raffles City and observed that a group of persons were in possession of stacks of pamphlets and were handing out these pamphlets to members of the public. One of these persons was identified to be Chee Soon Juan. These pamphlets urged the public to take part in an outdoor rally and stage a march on Sat 16 Sep 06 from Speaker's Corner. The Police seized these pamphlets and investigations have been initiated.

2.the guys in US State Dept will be very happy CSJ take action
and as expected,would be detained if rally and march
carried on.If not,what else they can write on Sg for the yearly
report.

3.

.The Police would like to remind the public and visitors that Chee's planned outdoor rally and march as conveyed in the pamphlet is unlawful and anyone participating in it would be committing an offence.

4.voices of CSJ-----Govt harassment begins: Police steal flyers from activists
9 Sep 06

lionnoisy SG

2.the guys in US State Dept will be very happy CSJ take action
and as expected,would be detained if rally and march
carried on.If not,what else they can write on Sg for the yearly
report.

3.

4.voices of CSJ-----Govt harassment begins: Police steal flyers from activists
9 Sep 06

LazerLordz SG

if you cannot even march peacefully in your own nation, that can only mean that the laws are archaic.

Rolling Eyes

lionnoisy SG

it is allright for political party to call the people to follow his party's
rally and march.

but the party must tell the people that this march and rally is illegal.

Let the people to decide to join this illegal.

CSJ call for pple to assembly at Speaker's Corner ,then start the march.

This will be a misunderstanding by many pple that the assembly
and rally are legal.

2.If CSJ has not registered for Speaker's Corner speech,
it will be illegal for him to call for pple to gather there,
not to mention the march.

3.Is this rally a SDP rally or CSJ's personal appeal?

4.CSJ and his family will be most welcome in some country,
even he went to jail.But not the Tom,Dick and Harry who would be
detained by police for illegal rally.

5.CSJ,pl tell people loud and clear that the rally is illegal.
ur mr ravi will not work for those poor huys if they get caught.

added on 13.09.2006
6.CSJ blamed everyone excepy himself for summary judgement.
Why summary judgement?It was he failed to submit his defence
on time.If he had submitted the defence,there would be open hearing
and he might had a chance to cross exam 2 LEE.

The High Court ruled in favour of the two leaders after the SDP failed to file a defence for defamatory remarks made in the January edition of its newspaper.

Thursday June 8,2006 12:17 PM
PM and MM win defamation suit against SDP.

7.CSJ and his lawyer had not done preperly to get open
hearing--ie failed to submit defence either OVERLOOKED or
done in on purposes.For the latter,now they can tell western supporters,
''Look, PAP carried out the hearing in Chambers without open
gearing.Even in Chambers without me
or without present of my lawyer.''
But he would not tell them that ravi was sick----sometimes CSJ said
he was too fatigue ,but another time because of teeth problem.
His learned lawyer failed to turn up on the morning of hearing.

8.The scripts and screens were well written in advance.
This is the best way to make sure CHEE SOON JUAN would be mentioned in the most democratic US's Dept of Statement HUMAN RIGTS report
every year.

Hellraiza SG

I'm not going to launch a lengthy tirade against the government and all that, but WHEN I SEE OLD MEN AND WOMEN, instead of leading a happy, dignified life with their families, I SEE THEM DIGGING INTO TRASHBINS FOR EMPTY CANS TO SELL TO GET MONEY FOR FOOD, i feel our system has really really shafted them. Evil or Very Mad

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