You seriously got to be kidding me!

last SG · 2007-04-05T10:56:37+00:00

Originally posted by justiceforall: Since this has proven to be a disadvantage to the citizens, suggest we limit PM's terms to a maximum of 10 years. .... be...

Ferguson SG

to be a good politician anyone with a good education can already

Ferguson SG

demand and supply forces

charlize SG

Ok, this needs no witty remark from me since the rest will probably correct you on this. Laughing

charlize SG

So nothing to do with government?

Or change of government? Laughing

MetalGear SG

I think there's nothing we can do about it.

the ministers should stop insulting our intelligence and trying to justify their pay hike. Just go ahead n pay themselves as much as they want. Get on with it. What can we do about it? Our views have never been consulted, so what's the point? Why grumble and complain? Before next election, they'll give pple money again, n they'll still be voted in. We can't do anything.

But, it shows it pays well to work for government, provided u are a top scholar only. Very high pay man. Seriously...

So just get on with it, enforce the pay hike and let everyone else continue with their pressured lives in SG

Smile

Ferguson SG

nothing

HDB prices rose from thousands to hundred thousands also due to demand supply.

Ferguson SG

this suggestion by MM lee is the best i ever heard. bravo!!

TWE SG

Well if ” they ” want to compare salaries , why don’t they compare the size of pples nations to ours ? Other nations have billions of pple to share the ” burden ” How much pple do our country have to ” share ” it ? If they insist on comparing then the first to die will be us . If a country have 1 billion pple each pay $1 every month to the govt , of cos the ministers will have $1billion per month no sweat . But how abt ours ? Do we have so much pple to share it ? We will be sweating our bile fluid out of our bodies to produce the same amt to satisfy them . In chinese we have a saying ” guan zi liang ge kou , zhen me shou dou shi ni dui ” .

Cro-Magnon SG

"If you wish to serve the country at important positions, the last reward you should hope for is monetary gains."

The last election is the LAST time people can vote them out. The results showed how the people feel.

Increasing the population to 6.5million?? Where are you going to find 2.5 million? Ask the (locals, natives, made in Singapore Singaporeans?) to do it? Laughing

Import people lor. Soon imports will be more than locally produced. Guess they will be grateful for their PR-ship and vote for them.

mistyblue SG

I think many trees will die for the amount of hell bank notes we have to burn to ensure he gets 2.7mil. So should we start burning now ?

Sigh. I heard that same 'horror' story before from the same team who always use the same reasons for the same solution to all problems. I hope I can muster up enough fear to lose 10 minutes of sleep.

fudgester SG

*me buries face in hands*

Confused

Syndicate SG

Well, he is right when he talked about comparing millions to billions. We have to admit that we have capable ministers and thus we are the riches S.E Asean country. From a village to where we are now, no doubt, i praise the govt ministers work. They deserve high salary or mayb increase in their pay.

But than again, we have said it many times. If from the start you wanna step into politics and you know prolly you can earn much more elsewhere den dont expect to gain too much in terms of financial from it. For the doctors, go open your own clinic or smt.

Pay raise for ministers.. Is that issue sooo impt right now? I bet we can bring up more impt issues to discuss . Seems like Lau Lee like to talk on small figures like 10-20 millions compare to billions..

I suppose now he talked about this pay raise, less than a month he will implement it. We cant do anything but rant , as usual.

This topic will soon be faded as time pass by..

nanotech SG

its seems funny how we rant alot but nv seems 2 do anything bot it..........

the prob now is that we are in a game where:
1.we hv a mastermind wif the ultimate power and unlimited $
2.we are playin by his rules
3.he set the playing field
4.we are not courageous enuf to stand up to the almighty(i included)
5.we are bein sheepishly controlled despite hvin the power 2 make a difference

the solution for each problem:
1.ripped his power by stayin united and vote for the opposition
2.the new leaders will set the new rules and they are true representatives of the nation
3.our new leaders will ensure the status quo has chg to our side
4.we MUST be courageous if not we are forever 'nv walk the talk'
5.achievin wat i mention will get rid of prob no. 5

Unfortunately, i think my ideas seems 2 be far-fetched Sad

i will believe in my ideas if only ther were a large majority of supporters

kkyz13 SG

Is he going senile?

In a nutshell:

$$$ = Better Governance

$ = Poor Governance, leading to the COLLAPSE OF SOCIETY.

However, politicians are suppose to be in it for helping the common man, not $.

If politicians get $$$, how is it relevant to the quality of service?

There used to be a joke (from somewhere, could be here). Singaporeans all have the capacity to revolt and resist (just look at this forum). Just that everyone is too busy trying to make a living to bother.

octet707 SG

Well some fourmites here talk about the lost of a few billions in investments being nothing to the government but heres a question any idea how much profits GICs create for Singapore annually? Is there any investor in the world who never had any failed investments before? I believe as long as the long term returns r there short term losses must be accepted. Its all part of investment.

Oh n about LKY's point that the salaries of ministers need to be raised in order to remain competitive, i feel that its reasonable. Well how many people are that noble to put in alot more effort relative to his achievable income. Singapore is small. True we need to attact such noble people to the govt but with a population of 3m how many of such people exist in Singapore ? Theres has also been comments that the civil servants r no longer as motivated and effective as before, perhaps the salary could be attributed to it. Majority of the population who are taking up posts in the govt now or in the future have lived the life of a developed country citizen. Just like you or me. There couldnt be as much leaders as in the past who are fuelled by the desire for country even at the expense of monentary incentives.

So tell me this cannot, that cannot, so how ?
Why not share a more effective solution

WiNtEr'SkiLL SG

Smile Smile

ah_kwang SG

this is a very shallow remark Laughing like that we will have lots of ministers who are like TT Durai or James Gomez perhaps. and soon we will see the downfall of singapore. just like how the city of venice declined with incompetent leaders ruling(of course, Venice was prosperous for over 200 years. we have not even reach 50)

jsch SG

Now I'm really looking forward to NS...

I slog my guts out day in day out and earn a meagre sum of money, making sure that I'm doing my country proud for 2 years and this is what I get. Even the f-ing bus fares also cannot afford.

kilua SG

Have you heard of Index Fund? Any Fund manager can beat GIC in bringing returns by passive indexing. Who are you trying to kid? Bring in below market average returns then say losing a few billion is nothing? I am sure Optus is an honest mistake...

Maybe you could suggest to LKY not to terrorize the opposition, sue them until
they are bankrupt, or dig they entire life history, then lots of able men would come and serve.

Or can dont kick up such a big fuss over a form?

Maybe also can suggest to him give up the control of the press...

AshedAnna SG

What I think is the gvt is simply using the people as atms. They just take and take and take, and while they walk around with fat wallets, use our money instead for their own investments, and they know we can't do a thing about it.
The progress package was like dangling a bigger piece of meat in front of semi-hungry lions(no pun intended). Given that the gvt giving back to us is rare, we hope for a little more. Truth is they'll just sit back and grin while they watch us vote.
You want change? Then just protest. Don't think their jails can hold all of us. I agree that Singapore is one of the safest places in the world and its commendable, but the only reason why the PAP exercises such control over us is through fear. That's wrong. What I'm only afraid of is when you cage people for so long and the moment they get their chance at getting what they want, it may become chaotic. Just my two cents worth. (Don't flame me..... Embarassed )

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