Impact of holding F1 in S'pore

last SG · 2007-04-04T09:00:17+00:00

the effects are like a chain reaction... both ways...

Gazelle SG

In the first place, why are you so concern about this when Singapore doesnt even manufacture cars. Plus singapore has already done its part by having the most expensive cars in the world.

Kuali Baba SG

Formula 1 has also been around for a long time, since 1950.

The use of carbon fibre on cars was pioneered in Formula 1 in the 80s. The same goes for TC as a performance aid around the same time. Wishbones were also born in the series ages ago.

Aerodynamics "is a no-brainer"? Innovations like diffusers, undertrays, ground effects and venturi devices were also born in F1. Don't forget that these enhance the efficiency of those green cars.

I forgot to mention carbon-ceramic brakes as well.

You have muddled the trivia I gave about fuel consumption. In one season, all the 22 F1 cars use only less fuel than the 747 on take-off. Fuel-efficiency without the expense of power is in the interest of the teams. It allows them to make shorter pitstops for fuel.

Car manufacturers do enter F1 for marketing reasons, but they also have to back their claims that technology trickles down to road cars.

Anyway, nothing's stopping us from bidding to host Challenge Bibendum. France, China, USA, Germany and Japan already host that and their respective Grands Prix. Laughing

nanren4ever SG

yay!! Another Smile for Spore campaign!! flashes white teeth

Kuali Baba SG

Rolling Eyes

That's so missing the point.

NuLife SG

That sounds more logical. Laughing

NuLife SG

I do not object to holding F1 race (as long as the environmental impact is not too bad), just that I rather see some green car race for clean car technology advancement that benefits more people, or even promote new automotive industry in singapore, if possible at all, which will be in billions, and provide more jobs. Rolling Eyes

Never say impossible.

NuLife SG

Honestly, I feel all these talks about F1 tech trickling down to commercial cars is BS. Like i said b4, how many of todays cars actually uses those F1 tech, like dvanced aerodynamic effects etc.
Even those u mentioned above, don't really improve fuel efficiency, they are meant to improve sports car performances, which are more likely found in expensive commercial sports cars, which are among the worst in fuel efficiency.
Besides such sports car are really meant to attract attention and even envys,
how useful huh?

Almost all commercial car tech comes as natural tech advancements/improvements, just as with other tech, not really because of F1.

Anyways, no point saying these, like u said F1 is definitely coming to singapore. cheers
Confused

Kuali Baba SG

As I've mentioned, TC and wishbone suspension are used in your ordinary cars, like previous generations of the Honda Civic. Even green cars like the Honda Insight use undertrays. There may not be a direct link but they were thought of by brains working to eke out extra performance in racing.

At no point did I say the deal has been closed. However I'd like to see it happening here very much. It's a sport that one can be really passionate about. You can't say the same of a casino you have to pay $100 to enter or some huge conference you can only follow through the news.

We've been let down several times when it came to motor racing in recent history. Talk about hosting an event or a track would surface, and then disappear quietly. And then there was the convenient way the support and coverage of our racing drivers and teams was abandoned. Was it because nobody cared?

Here we are with concrete plans underway but all people care about are disruptions to their own schedules and eardrums, adding fodder to their anti-PAP cause or reasons which reflect ignorance of the sport. The disruptions are going to be real, it's part and parcel of the show and there are ways to minimise it. Take a little time out to soak in the atmosphere...if it happens.

This is something worth cheering, but instead there's no passion coming from these quarters. It's either apathy or cynicism. Maybe you can't help it, other things that happen on this island disappoint me too. But I have never seen attitudes like this from people I've met elsewhere who were going to host WRC and F1 events for the first time.

footprints SG

Originally posted by NuLife:
My suggestion would be to:
Host a "Green Vehicle Race" instead,
eg electric, hybrid, solar, alternative fuel car races.
This could promote green car developmnet and possibly eventually manufacturing here.

The worldwide race now is towards the Green Car, not F1 cars.

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I think automotive racing and green doesnt go together at all. It will be ideal, but it will not work.

Imagine a F1 race without the noise pollution? (Incredible engine revs) No more 19,000rpm screams, no more traction control ignition cut that creates the loud bangs? Watching F1 will be like watching a movie without sound. No more excitement.

Its like, shall we have fireworks or fire crakers without the noise pollution please?

Yes, the environment is important and we are all responsible to protect it. But hey, i'm human too and honestly? With F1, i shall pass with the Green issue. If you want to go green, forget about racing.

No more long duration camshafts, no more anti lag systems, no more testing days that consumes so many tyres, no more engines that revs to 19,000rpm. So in effect F1 will get boring. NO way can we push the limit of engineering on combustion engines and staying green.

I have no doubts F1 in singapore will benefit us in many ways. The commercial impact is is almost impossible to quantify.

But i have concerns abt the traffic and logistical problems arising from hosting it in the middle of the city center. The roads will most likely be closed from tuesday leading up to the race on sunday.

Tuesday to prep the roads, wednesday and thursday to set up all the stands and allow the teams to settle down in the paddocks, Friday test day, saturday quali and sunday race. Monday pack up, maybe tuesday before everything is cleared up.

thats a one week road closure...

Gazelle SG

Dont worry man, those working around the marina areas are mostly highly paid bankers from ML and Citibank etc, the only problem they would face is that they cant drive their ferraris, porsche and lambo to work thats all. Very Happy

If there is one government that call pull this off, it will have to be SIngapore.

charlize SG

F1 enthusiasts will no doubt see the benefits of having a F1 race in Singapore.

But let it be known that the decision to host one is actually to attract more foreigners and tourists here.

It was never really about satisfying the yearnings of Singaporean F1 fans.

Really. Laughing

ditzy SG

If F1 is not coming to singapore its alright, I'll just save the money, fly over to melbourne next year and catch the race there. Laughing

Kuali Baba SG

Those who are concerned about why we're promoting an environmentally harmful sport should reflect on their own attitudes towards recycling, reducing plastic bag usage and conservation of endangered species. Wink

phber SG

Not everyone in S'pore are F1 fans. Not everyone whose lives are going to be affected are F1 fans. So, I don't see why we can't cast a "Against" vote or even just to voice our concerns.

Yes, F1 will bring in a certain amount of revenue or boost S'pore reputation or whatever directly or indirectly. But is that guaranteed? How accurate are these predictions of increase revenue? As accurate as the figures for IMF? Wink

Sorry, I'm selfish. I can't wait for the benefits to trickle down multiple levels over multiple years.

Kuali Baba SG

The thing is, many of us are intolerant of inconveniences and disruptions, and some of the concerns raised are unfounded and reflect ignorance. I've already done as much as I can to reply to these in the relevant threads.

I am not concerned about how much money the event can spin at all. It's an international motorsports event. The buzz is already more than enough, and the passion of the fans is infectious and priceless. It's worth keeping even if it makes losses - it's unlikely to be as bad as what permanent tracks like Silverstone and Magny-Cours are facing, and even these guys battle to retain the rights to host their races.

As I've said, step out of your bubble and enjoy the atmosphere of the F1 Village, if it comes. That part of the grounds is open even to non-paying visitors, going by what is done at the other races.

NuLife SG

I can sense the enthusiasm of passionate F1 fans here Smile

Just wanna clarify one thing, as someone who is environmental conscious,
noise is not a concern at all, at least for me.
Hey, I love sports cars, technology and excitements too.

Its more of the fuel consumption/CO2 emission concerned
wrt recent global warming issue,
as i got a shock when someone (outside this forum) mis-quoted the the figures,
Well, since a forumite here had clarified it, im all for it. Razz

As for those who complain about noises, i would add that since its in the city area, why bother? Besides its only a seasonal thing.
Those who bother, could just take it as a public holiday and join in the fun.
Laughing

The other thing is, with the main reason being economy,
i wonder if out government has no better ideas?
Seem to me that F1, casinos, disneyland, ferrywheels are common ideas in every major asia city now, nothing new or innovative.
I personally hope to see something very very different.

NuLife SG

U got a point there Smile
I shall forward to the day when all cars become electric/hybrid,
and the F1 cars being the only gas-guzzling roaring vehicles around. haa

Gazelle SG

Haw Par Villa, Sentosa Volcano, Giant Merlion, Tang Village are all very different isnt it? but unfortunately being different doesnt always mean success.

forumer84 SG

As a recreation, it is an exclusive activity available only to the select few who can afford it. As a sport, it does not improve aerobic fitness and there are many better and healthier alternatives. A champion F1 racer is no more likely to pass the IPPT than one who takes up jogging.

Just wanna clear the misconception that F1 drivers are so called 'unfit' because they just DRIVE only rite?

For your info, when u r going at average speeds of 200km/h reaching top speeds of 330km/h, ur heart rate increases to almost 160-190 beats per min. Imagine going at this heart rate for 1 1/2 hrs(average time for a race). Adding to this is the G-forces of 2.5-3 acting on the drivers' head when they negotiate corners at such high speeds. They have specialized neck exercises where they lift weights up to 25kg using their neck power only.

F1 driver not fit? Think again...

PS:Sry to those who felt this post was irrelevant.i could not resist the urge not to reply as im an ardent F1 fan Twisted Evil

oxford mushroom SG

Originally posted by forumer84:
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Just wanna clear the misconception that F1 drivers are so called 'unfit' because they just DRIVE only rite?

For your info, when u r going at average speeds of 200km/h reaching top speeds of 330km/h, ur heart rate increases to almost 160-190 beats per min. Imagine going at this heart rate for 1 1/2 hrs(average time for a race). Adding to this is the G-forces of 2.5-3 acting on the drivers' head when they negotiate corners at such high speeds. They have specialized neck exercises where they lift weights up to 25kg using their neck power only.

F1 driver not fit? Think again...

PS:Sry to those who felt this post was irrelevant.i could not resist the urge not to reply as im an ardent F1 fan Twisted Evil [/b]

You should read this statement taken from the official formula one website:

"...The most dependable form of exercise for drivers is aerobic work - running, swimming and, increasingly, cycling, as epitomised by Red Bull driver Mark Webber....."

Yes, most F1 drivers are physically fit; but they do not get that fitness by racing. If you want to get fit, F1 motoring is not the way to go...you do it the way thousands of others do...running, swimming, cycling....

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