There's Been Enough Incidents, STOP Debating!

last SG · 2007-03-06T13:17:45+00:00

Panels like that prevent access to the track. Simple. there is limited room ''far away from the yellow line''. All it takes is 1 shove for 3 or 4 people to...

hloc SG

You are talking about a viable error-prevention feature here. Even simple barriers can drastically cut the accidental deaths.

We are talkin about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

Why the hell is children running around.... where the hell is the caretaker. If you are sick..... STEP BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE. For God sake, nearly a million people used the MRT daily..... daily Exclamation Is the death rate like 3-4 a day...... Question

There are times like no death for months and months..... then some fellow family kena half a million just because he jump from the MRT platform, for the next few months 3-4 copycats......

There are many reason why someone wants to die...... stress, sickness, mental problem..... etc. How many can you prevent Question If someone still climb over the half barriers..... will you demand a full barrier And if during a fire, the full barrier was found to have cost the death of passager who was unable to escape...... will you then demand the barrier to be removed

Ask yourself this...... have the train ever ''jump'' out from its track and killed anyone behind the yellow line..... Question

Then isn't it safe to say that as long as a person take responsibility to keep him/her-self behind the yellow line, then the chance of falling into the track is greatly greatly redures......

If people refuse to take responsibility for their own safetly (incl those with young kids)..... then nothing will keep them safe. A*sholes could sit on the half barrier and fall over.

sgdiehard SG

Originally posted by hloc:

We are talkin about [b]PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

Why the hell is children running around.... where the hell is the caretaker. If you are sick..... STEP BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE. For God sake, nearly a million people used the MRT daily..... daily Exclamation Is the death rate like 3-4 a day...... Question

There are times like no death for months and months..... then some fellow family kena half a million just because he jump from the MRT platform, for the next few months 3-4 copycats......

There are many reason why someone wants to die...... stress, sickness, mental problem..... etc. How many can you prevent Question If someone still climb over the half barriers..... will you demand a full barrier And if during a fire, the full barrier was found to have cost the death of passager who was unable to escape...... will you then demand the barrier to be removed

Ask yourself this...... have the train ever ''jump'' out from its track and killed anyone behind the yellow line..... Question

Then isn't it safe to say that as long as a person take responsibility to keep him/her-self behind the yellow line, then the chance of falling into the track is greatly greatly redures......

If people refuse to take responsibility for their own safetly (incl those with young kids)..... then nothing will keep them safe. A*sholes could sit on the half barrier and fall over. [/b]

Hundred of millions of commuters use MRT, MTR, Metro, Subway....everyday all over the world, in stations without any barriers to the track, from the busy businessmen in New York to the village farmers in Shanghai, why are Singaporeans the only kind of people who need barriers to prevent them from falling, jumping into the track and get killed by train? It is something wrong with Singaporean! all walking around like zombee, stopped only by barriers. Twisted Evil

It is very sad that we need to ask the government to install barriers in train stations, and may be bus stop to prevent people from endangering themselves. When will Singaporean grow up and say to the nanny, "I can stand on my own." Crying or Very sad

I guess soon the PAP government will implement what they do best: 1. $200 fine for anybody caught crossing the yellow lines, $1000 for falling onto the track, regardless if the act is accidental or not. 2. Gory pictures of human body cut into half, head smashed, shown around the stations, " You Could Be The Next One, Do Not Cross The Yellow Line." Mr. Green

OoOoOo SG

KNN... smrt nv build glass panal their fault?

it's those noobs who wanna always stand so out the platform, just kaisu cant get a seat? use ur brain la.. is those ppl fault, not smrt la..

OO_OO_OO SG

omg my clone Mad

hloc SG

It is very sad that we need to ask the government to install barriers in train stations, and may be bus stop to prevent people from endangering themselves. When will Singaporean grow up and say to the nanny, "I can stand on my own."

This is the worst problem with S'porean....... I want Govt to take care of everything, as long as Govt don't tell me what to do......

If you want the Govt to take care of everything..... then listen, don't agrue, do as you're told and Vote for them blindly......

If you want to think for yourself...... then take RESPONSIBILITY for your OWN action........ How the Hell could we even dream of change in the Govt if we even need them to protect us while we are standing.... Question

Standing Behind The Yellow Line is all that is needed..... Exclamation

ditzy SG

I oppose to the glass thingie, just because its an issue raised by cynthia phua, yes, I'm against whatever she says or does. Laughing

hloc SG

Sorry..... may I know who the Hell is Cynthia Phua Question

ditzy SG

Originally posted by hloc:

Sorry..... may I know who the Hell is [b]Cynthia Phua Question [/b]

Wah, seems like you didn't even bother to read the first post on the first page of this thread. Laughing

hloc SG

I read the Headline of the thread..... not the ''Today in Parliament". Mr. Green

oxford mushroom SG

A low barrier will not work as long as there are kiasu Singaporeans who will rush to get in first to find a seat. As for those who would want to commit suicide, they will do it anyway.

I'll tell you what works...a stiff fine will work. Install an electric eye system where the yellow line is. If anyone crosses that line before a train has pulled up into the station, a photograph is immediately taken and the offender is fined $20 on the spot. The fine will soon pay for the costs of installation.

nismoS132 SG

here in japan, during peak hours, there will be staff on the platforms every 5-10 metres for crowd control. they make sure no one crosses the yellow line, and most importantly, crowd control. the japanese already give way to people getting off trains, so what they do is direct the queues so that those getting off can leave the platforms ASAP making flow of traffic smoother.

if you ask me, it works, and we need this sytem all day long since dumb singaporeans cant be bothered to let people off the trains first. some forced conditioning for a few years, maybe 3. after that we can reduce it to peak hours only.

sgdiehard SG

Singaporeans are conditioned to being forced, so without force many people will kpkb at the government, 3 years won be enough. I would suggest the traffic warden use a long can like the indian or pakistani riot police, can the legs that cross the yellow line. Mr. Green

hloc SG

I agree that this will work..... but being a S'pore Company, SMRT will want it cheap & good...... Means less staff, low pay..... There are part-time station staff during the peak hours...... they are paid $5 an hour. Tell me, how many S'porean can live on this type of pay ???......

3-4hr in the morning, then 3-4hr in the eveing...... total of 8hr at the most, $40 a day. 5 day a week, 20days a month...... 20x$40= $800 a month avg. Would you work hard with this type of pay ???

The problem is that most SMRT Stations are under Staffed....... just take a look at any station away from town...... you have a station master + 1-2 staff. Station Master must stay in the control room most of the time, leaving 1 staff to take care of the ticket problems of passager.... another to patrol the WHOLE platform.......

Less staff means more cost saving for SMRT...... means more $$$ for 'Share Holder'........ means less ppl to lookout for S'porean that is unable to take care of themselves..... and finally, means more Incidents likely to happen.

So..... it is up to you, to take care of yourself.

sgdiehard SG

Originally posted by hloc:

I agree that this will work..... but being a S'pore Company, SMRT will want it cheap & good...... Means less staff, low pay..... There are part-time station staff during the peak hours...... they are paid $5 an hour. Tell me, how many S'porean can live on this type of pay ???......

3-4hr in the morning, then 3-4hr in the eveing...... total of 8hr at the most, $40 a day. 5 day a week, 20days a month...... 20x$40= $800 a month avg. Would you work [b]hard with this type of pay ???

The problem is that most SMRT Stations are under Staffed....... just take a look at any station away from town...... you have a station master + 1-2 staff. Station Master must stay in the control room most of the time, leaving 1 staff to take care of the ticket problems of passager.... another to patrol the WHOLE platform.......

Less staff means more cost saving for SMRT...... means more $$$ for 'Share Holder'........ means less ppl to lookout for S'porean that is unable to take care of themselves..... and finally, means more Incidents likely to happen.

So..... it is up to you, to take care of yourself.[/b]

the crowd in Japan train stations is about 10 times that in Singapore. Most of the time the staff's job is to push the passengers in so that the train door can be closed. During less peak hour, the staff are not there.

I am not speaking for SMRT but I really think Singaporean commuters should learn to be responsible for themselves, and help those who really cannot read, and pull back those who fall accidentally.

I am waiting to see if any of these accidents would happen to tourists, especially those who came from countries where there are MRT. I really dread to see installation in Singapore that show the stupidity of singaporean. Embarassed Next time the PAP will say during election:" see, you need us, or else you people can't even stand properly."

iveco SG

Originally posted by hloc:

Sorry..... may I know who the Hell is [b]Cynthia Phua Question [/b]

Member of Parliament for Aljunied GRC.

I think Ditzy likes Silvia Lim better. Laughing

Anyway, here's some food for thought. $MRT fudged the ridership figures for Svc 608 in order to withdraw it.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Low barrier? A barrier of chest height can deter most cases outside of suicide. And in any case the barrier is the last line defence, a safety net for those who might accidently end up on the track.

Fines are fine, but at the end of the day they are only there to deter, but they can't physically stop an accident from happening. As it remains with no last ditch barrier... it is a matter of time before some one, suicide or not, ends up on the track.

SMRT is adopting the classic civil sector approach to this issue:

Tai chi the issue to somebody else if you can,

If you can't tai chi, avoid the issue

If you can't avoid, cover up the issue

If you can't cover up, delay, beats doing something about it.

Given the short attention span of the Singaporean... this method has proven to be highly effective.

oxford mushroom SG

If passengers keep well away from the yellow safety line, such 'accidents' will not occur. Singaporeans will only obey fines, not advice or announcements to stay behind the yellow line. You may think it is hard but it is true. Imposing a stiff fine will stop all these 'accidents'.

Those who will commit suicide will do it regardless of what we do.

pinkish purple papayas SG

Put up barriers for what?

Didn't news reports say that LTA is engaging an Australian consulting firm to review our world class transportation before advising us what to do?

Thats gonna take 6months to 1yr rite? Slowly wait loh, after that, what ever the Aussies tell us to do, we will follow. Because we paid good money for this advises and angmos are always correct in these issues.

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=230989

Don't you just love Singapore?

We care so much for you guys that we engaged an australian company to help us think of these problems liao..

sgdiehard SG

another way of preventing singaporean from accidentally falling into the track is to put the yellow line 20 meters before the track, commuters are allowed to across the line only when trains come to a complete halt and doors opened, and the announcement, "ready cheong", then everybody cheong for the train. Laughing like that sure no accident.

stretching the imagination a little bit, since most motorcycles accidents involved cars or trucks, we should have separate lanes for motorcycles and cars, separated by barriers, like that sure no accident. Mr. Green

The kiaxi singaporeans are really pathetic!! may be we should have barbed wire on the barrier, then guarantee there will be no accident.

hloc SG

The kiaxi singaporeans are really pathetic!! may be we should have barbed wire on the barrier, then guarantee there will be no accident.

No lah..... have sniper shoting anyone who cross the yellow line before train comes to a complete stop....... then bill his family for the bullet.....

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