Originally posted by saffron60:
[b]To atobe
You can believe what you want to believe, there's no harm in that.
And you can talk about the 'what ifs' until the cows come home, but
would it make any difference in the real world? I doubt it, that's
why i don't see any point in discussing in it. You have already
made known your views about politics in the past and nothing me or
anyone here is going to change your mind, so what's the point? I
understand what laserlordz was saying, but i'm more of a realist,
so i have already accepted the fact that our views on these issues
will be rather different.
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Since there is no harm in it. Why are you "bothered" by forumers
having healthy discussions? It might not make any difference now,
but having more people discussing it, more people will realised the
different issues and perspectives. You don't see any point
discussing it, does not mean everybody will see your logic, you
might like coffee, others might prefer tea. So if someone produces
a different perspective on the issues, you can provide alternative
views, not lambast others for their views. I am sure the people
here are smart enough to discern for themselves.
Why are you suppressing healthy discussions by telling us there is
no point in it?
Humans always strive to achieve the best, that's the human spirit,
if we are always contended with the workings of things, we would
not have been able to walk on the moon or reach the depths of the
oceans.
Why does it irk you so much?
What is your ulterior motive behind this suppression?
If there are no motives, then our discussions shouldn't irritate
you at all
Originally posted by saffron60:
[b]To atobe
why must you drag someone else into our discussion, the other
person has got nothing to do with it, if you have a score to settle
with him, by all means go ahead but it's rather childish to keep
dragging an outsider into our discussions. I know i do that to
mau**13 sometimes, but his case was different, he kept being so
nosy, i ignored his comments several times already but he kept
pushing it, so i had to 'set him straight'..haha
You sound like the typical paranoid person i was talking about who
lives in a big brother world. You seem to forget that there are
those of us who don't care that much about politics, don't care for
the gov enough to try to defend them and don't care about the
opposition enough to support them. Like i said, i'm not that
interested in talking about heavy politics, 'cos there's so much
better things to do than to talk about politics. I don't take this
forum too seriously, it's safe to say that there are others who
don't really take it that seriously either, why should we?
haha
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I am one of those that would stand up if I see any injustice
done. I just don't like the way attack Atobe personally, when
he/she was just having a healthy discussion. Set me straight?
Hehehe..... Another delusion?
If you are not interested in talking about politics, then you can
jolly well bugger out of here. Nobody is forcing you to listen to
our discussions. Why do you try to suppress differing views?
Like I said, nobody asked you to stay, but if you choose to partake
in political discussions, then start with personal attacks.
I wonder why you kept saying that you are not interested in
political discussion, but persist to stay in this forum and defend
the Pigs Arse Party.
Originally posted by saffron60:
[b]To atobe
i think that if one is too die-hard in expressing their cause,
ultimately their actions will backfire on them, 'cos people will be
too scared or find it a waste of time to challenge those who hold
very strong views. Those who are pro-pap dare not make themselves
known, only a few i've seen here, this forum is skewed too much to
the favour of anti-pap. And those anti-pap have created an ideal
world for themselves here, oblivious to the fact that there may be
some pap supporters reading their views.
''those who are standing on the side-lines, observing the verbal
bouts between two sides, are encouraged to participate and take
sides?'' That is partly true, they are encouraged to take only one
side...haha Someone else had pointed out in a previous discussion
that if people truly believe in freedom of speech, then they should
allow both sides to talk, not asking for one of them to stop
talking in this forum (the person who made this comment was not
anti-pap). Even before i came along, someone else had pointed this
out already.
Skewed outcome can also happen when those who share the same views
outnumber those who share the alternative views and the majority of
those who share the same views, try to 'silence' those who have the
alternative views. Those who are die-hard anti-pap at the end of
the day, are behaving like those pap in the gov whom they
criticize.
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I doubt there are many PAP supporters here, at least not from
their participation rate. Quite a number of PAP supporters attack
opposition supporters too, it's not only a one sided affair. We
have the likes of OM, SiS, Gazelle and You. I think loinnoisy is
the only PAP supporter that does no personal attacks, but he seemed
more like an opposition supporter, opening up issues for opposition
to attack.
For most of the discussions, the PAP supporters will normally come
up with a rebuttal for the opposition supporters, but when counter
rebutted and they can't come up with a good response, they will
succumb to personal attacks.
Originally posted by saffron60:
[b]To atobe
What drives me to write? I write for fun i guess, i don't get into
those heavy political discussions as i mentioned earlier, cos i
think it's a waste of time. I didn't say that those who write in
this forum are 3 yr olds, but if you think they are 3 yr olds, so
be it. And if you are referring to 'mau**13', yes, i know i was
harsh on him, but i think he was being really annoying and he
deserved to have a taste of his own medicine.
about the papa poodle thing, i got suspicious, because i saw that
the quality of his writing suddenly bear close resemblance to
yours, so it gave me a good opportunity to mock the both of
you....
pot calling the kettle black, you are pretty condescending
yourself, in fact, it was your arrogant manner that drove me to
challenge your views in the first place.
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You keep telling us that it's a waste of time, but you kept
participating in political discussions and trying very hard to
convince others from not participating in political discussions.
Make sense?
Why have I been annoying? I didn't attack you personally in the
"SG top in foreign reserve per capita" thread. Don't understand
why you persist in attacking me or Atobe. Is it because I make
sense and you are afraid of opening up others to alternative
views.
Such a lengthy discussion coming from a person who claims that he
has no interest in politics and tries to convince others not to
take part in any political discussions because it's useless. You
sure make a lot of sense.
