VoA - Nigerians React Angrily to Execution of Nigerian in SG

last SG · 2007-01-28T18:08:12+00:00

but there probably won’t be many american smugglers. south american or mexican maybe.

Kenashi SG

compare that one worthless life to the tens or hundreds his drug will ruined, i think it is a fair trade-off

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

What if you really were the hapless victim of one such event? I'm sure you will see things quite differently in an instant. The law is supposed to protect the innocent, and in this case we are not so sure if it really does so. Hanging the innocent does little to stop the real drug dealers and runners from plying their trade. We are the ones to lose the most from such a thing.

If a dude was caught with drugs taped to his body and stuff... it's kinda hard to deny knowledge rite?

However for drugs found in a person's luggage, there are still ways to check. It is possible to run background checks on that guy, find out his contacts, and see if he really has anything to do with it or was simply an innocent and unknowing drug mule. At the end of the day reasonable doubt must be proven beyond... as opposed to this "balance of probabilities" which is as good as saying "we're not totally sure but let's just hang him to be sure".

Also even if he is really guilty and gets free because he managed to raise reasonable doubt, he's pretty much a dead man walking as he would have to find a way to pay off the drugs that he lost when he got caught. The drug mafia does not look too kindly on people who lose their goods and don't pay. Chances are either he will do more runs to pay off his debt (hence making it possible of him to get caught again), or simply be made to do many other things that will invariably end him up on the wrong side of the law.

oxford mushroom SG

Thw law is clear that the penalty for drug offences is dependent on the weight of the pure drug, whether it is cannabis, morphine or heroin. In the Nigerian case, the amount of heroin trafficked would have tobe the pure amount, minus all impurities as well.

Know the law before you open your big mouth. I

ditzy SG

This should put a stop to those neverending nigerian scams. Laughing

ditzy SG

That's coz Mr Fay went back home and taught them a thing or two. Laughing

zheshi SG

Originally posted by Hogzilla:

[b]IF Singapore judges have the balls to mete out death penalty to a American drug trafficker and all these reaction kicks in, the government's reply will be something like this, "We are sorry that the hanging has cause disturbance to anyone" "We are sorry about wat wat wat". Aiya, the standard replies of the government lah. We see these when the Thai junta did all those funny funny things.

Singapore might walk closer with China IF all these thing kicks in.

Just my two cent worth. Wink [/b]

Then what if we piss the american off and then we turn to china.. suddenly end up.. one china men smuggle drug also how? do we still hang the person?

vito_corleone SG

china sends thousands of people to the firing squad a year for the most minor of offenses, they wouldnt bother if you ahng a couple. even if u deport them back they're just gonna end up like a block of swiss cheese. Laughing

oxford mushroom SG

First, Congress will not do that. They will break the terms of our trade agreements and WTO rules. Their business concerns will override their rhetoric.

Second, which hypocritical US politician can stand up in public pushing for this policy when Texas continues to send Americans to the death chamber? Are they going to expell Texas from the Union next?

Long term objective? Buy US-made electric chairs Mr. Green

Arapahoe SG

i think it is a matter of time when an latino american passport holder is going to cross the border and get caught. And I think SG Gov understand it is going to happen.

I think the rule of Law will apply. for reason of self determination especially for a small country that need to remind all the big countries it is a country of its own.

State department would understand the legal proceeding and would arm twist and down grade relationship. Right wing democrat would raise human rights in Singapore. Domestics usa is a mix bag, interest group will make noise it is news worthy to make headlines.

Central and South America are emotional people if it is their own countryman they might protest.

but I think at the end of the day I think SG gov will still proceed with Hanging the drug trafficker.

saffron60 SG

Quite a number of you think it is right to hang him because it is the law here, but there's another perspective to this as well.

What if a singaporean woman in saudi gets thrown into jail for not covering her head or because she was caught driving a car, or she was stoned to death because people suspected her of having an affair with a local?

What then? Since you people say that foreigners should respect the law, that means singaporeans should respect the laws in other countries as well? To hell with justice, it doesn't matter, the law and is the law and we should just sit around and wait for people to be jailed, hanged and stoned to death.

oldbreadstinks SG

i know you'll think i'm wrong but i honestly think its pretty silly to be caught driving in a country where you're not allowed to.

oxford mushroom SG

Do you have no respect for the rule of law and the right of a sovereign nation to enact its own laws? Justice is done if you drive a car against the law of the nation and the right sentence is meted out for the offense.

Just because you do not like their law does not mean you have a right to break it.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

What if a singaporean woman in saudi gets thrown into jail for not covering her head or because she was caught driving a car, or she was stoned to death because people suspected her of having an affair with a local?

We have every right to be unhappy about the ruling if that happens... however what we do not have the right to do, and in fact should not do, is to demand that the other nations make an exception for her just because this is not a crime in Singapore.

The only was about this is to lodge a formal protest, or demand that the entire law be lifted entirely in that nation for whatever reason. Only then can we act without any self-contradiction.

It is the basic rule of law between nations, we must respect the laws of other nations. When you go to other countries, you should jolly well be aware of what are their rules, and flout them at your own risk.

If a Singaporean is shot in the US accidently or not, do we protest that the Singaporean should not be shot by weapons that are quite obviously illegal by Singaporean firearms or ROE laws? Why should it work the other way?

One cannot agree with all the laws, however there cannot be justice without laws.

saffron60 SG

I think you missed the point completely. i'm pointing out the hypocrites in this forum, quite a number of people here are so eager to judge the nigerian but if one of your own kind receives harsh sentencing in a foreign country, then people here will start to cry it's an injustice..and so forth. I do not like the biased laws that they have in some of the middle east countries and even though i'm not living there, i still don't think it is right, i also don't agree with other atrocities like female genital mutilation, that's my own principles. But i really doubt that people would just keep quiet when their own kind gets death sentencing in other countries. Just because a country has got harsh laws doesn't mean that we should stop using our brains and go into 'sheep' mode.

saffron60 SG

always blame the lawbreaker and never the law eh? Where do you think laws come from in the first place? anyway, i just gave a very simple scenario, there are many things that can happen to a foreigner in saudi which can get him/her jailed. Something like, getting involved in a road accident, even though you are not the one driving, they can put you in jail while they are investigating, all because you are a foreigner.

<Precious> SG

This should send a clear message to Nigeria and the rest of the world not to fcuk around with the law in Singapore. Singapore should remain steadfast in maintaining its strict laws and not cow to other countries like how Michael Fay from USA was caned. Being strict and impartial also earns the respect of the rest of the world..... so we definitely win more than we lose. Hooray!!! Very Happy

<Precious> SG

Singapore laws have won the respect and approval of many countries internationally as have our judicial efficiency for being impartial and transparent.

The laws in Saudi Arabia are geared more towards Islam than of a secular nature. This does not go down well with with the international community. Thus to compare Singapore's laws with Saudi Arabia's is much like comparing an apple with an orange - no basis! Evil or Very Mad

saffron60 SG

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saffron60 SG

Nope you are wrong, no where in islam does it say that a woman should be stoned to death, those draconian laws are drawn from tribal laws originating from saudi, i can't be 100 % sure, but I think saudi is the only muslim country that has that law.

Yes, you can compare on the basis that both countries have got harsh laws attached to certain acts of crime. I'm making a specific comparison not a general one, which most people in this forum always do.

spinsugar SG

Allow me to correct a misconception here. Saudi Arabia's laws are geared towards the Arab culture, and not Islam. In fact, much of their laws goes against the religion's teachings.

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