Falungong is not a cult

last SG · 2006-12-18T12:57:59+00:00

They say they don't get political but the email I posted above shows that they do Asking LKY to go o n the stand

[email protected] SG

Its believers will never admit that it is a cult even when they know some of the followers burn themselves with fire or cut open themselves. Just like the thousands of followers in I-Kuan Tao will never question their way. Rolling Eyes

elindra SG

I find them a real pain and I find the claims about organ harvesting pretty dubious

I don't think these pictures are so easy to take if it is really done by the chinese government... who knows they are the ones doing the organ harvesting and putting the blame on the chinese government to finance their own cause

(imagination running wild)

OO_OO_OO SG

wtf is falungong?

Nelstar SG

Cult =

1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

Falungong is a cult.

Enough said.

Laughing

Nelstar SG

Originally posted by no more:
I had read about some threads which demonstrated severe misunderstanding about Falungong. Being one of its members, I wish to clarify to many people who are hoodwinked by the Chinese Communist propaganda machine. Here are some basic areas of misunderstanding.

1. Falungong had never being a religion. It has no religious ritual or any systems to be considered a religion. If is not a religion, how can it be considered a cult? Moreover, Falungong requires a high level of personal cultivation, which in other words, requires its practitioners to be morally upright.
2. The communist party had really taken human organs from living Falungong members. This is a fact recognized by international human right organizations. Many Western countries calling for investigations into the matter.
3. Master Li Hongzhi is not some cult leader. How can a person who preaches good for no monetary rewards be a cult leader?
4. Falungong absolutely abhors the taking of lives, including suicide. A real Falungong practitioner will never resort to burning himself.

There is simply too many misunderstandings floating around. I would gladly clarify any doubts if anybody have any. [/b]

no more SG

Here is a link where you can download and read a copy of Zhuan Falun. http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.htm

I can explain to you why there is no information on the teachings of Falungong. Those newspaper are to tell people of what the truth is to prevent innocent and kind-hearted people from falling under the sway of propaganda.

All the teachings and principles are detailed in "Zhuan Falun". It contains the essences of cultivation and nothing of hatred. A simple read of what is it will change your life like it had done to me.

no more SG

Meat Pao, You asked a high level question and I try to answer it to the best I can.

You must understand that the communist ditatorship is power hungry and we not tolerate any preceived form of threats. Because Falungong preaches Truth, Benevolence and forbeareance, it had attracted at least a 100mil practitioners who wanted to lead the wholesome life it teaches. With so many practitioners, the communists are scared despite the fact that Master Li Hongzhi stated that any falungong members who dabble in politics are not his disciples. And of course, Communism do not tolerate spiritual belief.

In our universal, when there is good there bound to be bad. If there is Justice, there will still be evil. A world complete goodness would mean heaven and one of absolute evil will be hell. Hence this is not possible in human society.In other words, if you are good, evil people will still try to make trouble for you. A check of history text would tell you all gross injustices the communist government in China had commited. History will tell you that the Nazis under Hitler killed much less people than the communist. I am definitely not speaking up for Hitler but if you are disgusted with what he did, you would be more so if you know what is happening in China. Concentration camps are opened to steal human organs from live humans for black market profits.etc...........

the Bear SG

i see you are a member of the far-long-gone...

frankly, you have your beliefs, you go fight your fight if you want to..

when people do not share your beliefs, when people do not like you, when people don't give a flying rat's ass about your beliefs, it is their right...

please stop badgering the people in the street about it?

btw, your lea-duh probably has some dirt on the communists... and the communists are reacting the only way they know how...

why don't you go ask your lea-duh to tell you guys what kind of dirt he has on them? and if he is such a great lea-duh, why is he not facing the communists but letting his followers die like cannon fodder?

wake the hell up!

fymk SG

*yawns* And does this essence of cultivation and nothing of hatred contribute to the case of Mr Luo whose public talk about his parents was threatened in a lawsuit by the falungong? As well as the cancellation of funding to celebrate chinese new year in one of the american city when falungong made a complaint ?

TS , cut the crap out - it is based on buddhism that makes it a cult . I am no supporter of CCP because I know how they control religion in china but when it comes to Falungong , why don't u answer my questions about it then?

fymk SG

Oh yeah let me tell you something about falungong groups as well . In reference to the tai chi group exercise things , those are elderly and middle age people participating in it without a cahoot about who belongs to what religion. That falungong group who I said was following my parents' tai chi group - the leader of that falungong group actually decided to challenge the person leading the tai chi one day showing off his "practice" . They had to disband tai chi for that morning because this group just won't let off . It does sound contradictory to the so called teachings of Truth forebearance etc of the falungong society , doesn't it?

So Mr no more, anything to say about your fellow members' behaviours towards law abiding citizens.

elindra SG

Like I said in my earlier post. Maybe it is the Falungong doing the organ harvesting themselves to fund their newspaper etc and push the blame on the government

Pushing the blame on the communists should be believable Razz

Falungong is famous for wanting their own rights but forget about the rights of other people who don't share their belief. Rights work both ways.

How do they expect people to respect them if they don't respect others in the first place Rolling Eyes

fymk SG

Yeah and I find it suspicious if their leader said no monetary reward should be gained from it , he is living in luxury . Where is the money coming from? Care to answer that, Mr No more? Or has the cat bit ur tongue?

Even the buddha had forgone luxury to live without materialistic wants or need as a symbol of his faith while Falungong leader is not. Such a big contradiction.

elindra SG

Hey I think one of them ever claimed that he is the 2nd rebirth of Jesus or something

Maybe he plucked the money out of the air Laughing

laurence82 SG

Like our right to be left alone

If they are not cult, they shouldnt be pushy

fymk SG

Even the Jehovah Witnesses, Hare Krishnans and the Mormons are not as pushy as Falungong is .

There is a hare krishnan group in Melbourne who has this 6 people dancing around and singing songs and passing out cards in the CBD and I never seen them corner anyone who refuse to take their cards , unlike the Falungong members who corner . The hare krishnan group go about in their happy way singing .

The mormons just stand at the street corner in their pristine ironed pant suit and offer to talk to you about God but if you refuse , they give u a smile and wish you a good day. Same as the JWs .

no more SG

Sorry for replying so late but I will consolidate all the quarries and answer all of them to the best of my abilities. It may be a bit long and I hope most will bear with the length.

Most of the threads had demonstrated the powers of propaganda. A lot of people are willing to believe what they hear without questioning. I dont expect many people to believe what I say because I am up against a powerful propaganda machine. For those who wish to know, here is the actual truth.

Master Li Hongzhi is not living in luxury. He actually lives in a humble house in USA. I can use rational reasons to explain why he could not be living in luxury. The teaching of Falungong is totally free of charge. Hence no money can be made. If Falungong is a cult, with its 100mil members, everybody giving their master a dollar would make him rich. But obviously he did not do it. Master Li Hongzhi is living by on revenues earned for the royalties on his books. By the way, all books can be downloaded for free on the Internet. Any profit-motivated people would never do such a thing. What Master Li Hongzhi is earning is a legitimate way of income. Zhuan Falun was a popular best seller. Why cant an author live by earnings from their royalties?

Perhaps, I may need to elaborate on the concept of what is a religion to answer fymks doubts. Religions are more of rituals with heavy emphasis on what you can do and what not. Falungong does not have any of these. Its principles just state what a good person on the road of cultivation must do. If a person wants to leave, he can do so. No records are kept and strictly no money is to be accumulated. There is also no praying or worshipping at all. Emphasis is placed on how to be good and to abandon human attachments.

Maybe fymk is confused ( no offense meant) between Buddhism and the school of Buddhist laws( in chinese called Fo Fa). Buddhism refers to the religion founded in India by Lord Buddha. Lord Buddha himself had stated that there are 84000 methods to attain enlightenment in the Buddhist way. Lord Buddhas way, which is one of the way is present day Buddhism. Falungong is also one of the 84000 methods. They are classified under the same family because of similar attributes but they are absolutely different methods.

This is also why you see falungong members distributing leaflets. One of the most significant attributes of the Buddhist law school is the idea of compassion. If you cultivate on way of Buddha and abandoning selfish human attachments, you will naturally and sincerely feel compassion for other living souls. Falungong member wish to inform people on the evils of now to discourage people from sinning. This is a very high level Buddhist law concept which I feel very hard to explain. You really need to cultivate compassion to understand this.

Master Li Hongzhi had strictly required his disciples to never think of him as a god. He wants his disciples to see him as a human.
(to be continued)

no more SG

Maybe I need to continue because Fymk raised many important issues. Here are so some of them.

In the article on Samuel Lo, what is it suggesting is that Master Li Hongzhi is preventing his disciples from taking medicine. This is not true because in Zhuan Falun, Master Li Hongzhi had stated that anybody who is not a true cultivator should go to hospital if he is sick. He had never say that humans should not take medicine. This is actually communist propaganda. It is be easily verified because it is stated clearly in Zhuan Falun.

To sidetrack a little, do anybody know why Falungong easily had 100mil members in so short a time? The answer is it is famed for curing many people of unknown or incurable diseases after many ill people practiced it. It was acknowledged internationally. But before anybodys imagination runs wild, I can tell you all this is not what you think. There were many documented cases of people recovering from cancer without medicine and of course people who died because they did not take their medicine. Why is this so? I ask everybody a question. It is possible for every human to be 100% free from diseases? If so will human society exist? Getting sick is part and parcel of human life. If you want to abstain from it you must be above that of humanity. This concept is very complicated and is best to refer to Zhuan Falun if you want to know.

Do you know what is the minimum moral requirement to be considered Master Li Hongzhis disciple? It is to never retaliate even if your enemy hit or abuse you. Whats more you can bear a grudge against your enemy (and many others). I will not speculate whether Samuel Los stepfather had reached the level of morals stipulated by Master Li Hongzhi. If he did not, he is all but a normal human and not a falungong true practitioner. If he is not, a normal human who does not take his medicine will of course die.

The main point is that Falungong had never disallowed the usage of medicine.

I started this thread with no intention to attack homosexuality. Absolutely no. But I need to explain why falungong is against homosexuality like many of other orthodox beliefs like Christianity. Imagine this, if the whole world turns homosexual, how can the human world continue to have a regeneration of human offspring? Wont humans be extinct in this way? Christian theology talk about God creating Adam together with Eve, not Aadm and another Adam. To go against the original creation is sin. Again, I am not attacking homosexuals but to paint the spiritual basis of homosexuality condemnation.

the Bear SG

i have a question:

if it was all about an exercise and not a cult, why are you followers willing to die for him?

no more SG

Sorry but it is not an an exercise or a cult. It is strictly cultivation or "Xiu Lian" in chinese. This mean that Falungong demands very high moral and spiritual developments. The core of Falungong is on mental improvement. The exercises are secondary.

Mr(or Miss?) Bear, the answer lies not with me but with you. Are you willing to die for truth and justice?

My Master preaches Truth, Benevolence and Forbeareance. Once you cultivate to a certain level, you understand the beauty of these attributes. Once you become enlighented to these values, you will discover that you are willing to sacrifice yourself for such good values. This is not blind following without thinking.

Bear just imagine this. Why are there people like Ghandi who pit themselves against authority. He did so because of his strong belief in independence. What about Falungong member. Again this is because of their strong belief in even higher attribute of goodness.

I know it will be very hard for you to imagine this goodness I am talking about. Such things come from the soul and you need strict cultivations to attain it. But to be honest, it is very hard to attain such a level. I am not preaching to you but if you want to know about this goodness you can read Zhuan Falun. Perhaps you will then understand how childish these propagandas are. Maybe you will not even ask this questions at all.

the Bear SG

i've read enough about it actually...

so, it's not an exercise but it is about "xiu lian" which is "exercise"

it is not a cult but your "master" says he can fly, and aliens walk the earth and that he can cure people with his presence...

nevermind.. i choose to believe that you have been hoodwinked and all that.. just one word of advise.. try not to drink that kool-aid when you are told to?

bye.. you can believe all you want.. but you have no right to badger me to not believe in that... Smile

again, try not to drink that kool-aid

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