Discord in the WP: yet another resignation

last SG · 2006-11-10T17:52:39+00:00

the other big nightmare for the PAP is The Elderly Party. cranky old people with nothing to lose. and with the increasingly grey population they can do a...

Atobe SG

Originally posted by NotFromVenus:
In Politics , Hypocrits are acceptable at least this is what is about the "grown-up" world.

Honor, Self_proclaimed Ideals are nothing compared to organised efforts to protect the interests of the people and the party "fighting" using their own resources on the line against many Odds for many decades.

If one is prepared to be a Hipocrite - one also had to be better prepared to be called a 'FRAUD'.

It is from ideals that one faces the future.

With Principles to guide one's values - ideals are formed.

Ideals may change and take on new forms, as one's values change, but do PRINCIPLES change ?

Despite the odds stacked against him - from the Colonial Government and skeptics from his own supporters - Mahatma Ghandi never wavered from his Principle of Peaceful Protest, nor his Principles on Racial-Religious Harmony, nor his Principles for an Independent India based on peaceful co-existence between diverse peoples with different religions.

Did Deng Xiao Peng wavered from his views of Communism while moving China forward with his pragmatic position that there is no difference between the White or Black Cat, as long as it catches the mouse ?

NotFromVenus SG

Originally posted by Atobe:
If one is prepared to be a Hipocrite - one also had to be better prepared to be called a 'FRAUD' .

It is from ideals that one faces the future.

With Principles to guide one's values - ideals are formed.

Ideals may change and take on new forms, as one's values change, but do PRINCIPLES change ?

Despite the odds stacked against him - from the Colonial Government and skeptics from his own supporters - Mahatma Ghandi never wavered from his Principle of Peaceful Protest, nor his Principles on Racial-Religious Harmony, nor his Principles for an Independent India based on peaceful co-existence between diverse peoples with different religions.

Did Deng Xiao Peng wavered from his views of Communism while moving China forward with his pragmatic position that there is no difference between the White or Black Cat, as long as it catches the mouse ?

Which is why once you represent a Political Party , any public representation needs to be presented after careful consultation whether the Party agrees to present to the public in the manner in which it needs to be presented.

Any Gung-Ho efforts may lead to representation by our Heroic yet futile attempts as shown by the examples and antics of our SDP leaders.

Principles are next to nothing when you really want to practically come into power to address the needs of the people. When you do not have the power to influence change, it is all talk and no support will be given for change.

It is already a fact that Hypocrasy is into today's politics when you have to win over support from people of the same kind.

nanren4ever SG

Conformity is the word. Guess that’s news to some people here who think that only ruling party members conform to the party whip

Atobe SG

Originally posted by NotFromVenus:
Which is why once you represent a Political Party , any public representation needs to be presented after careful consultation whether the Party agrees to present to the public in the manner in which it needs to be presented.

Any Gung-Ho efforts may lead to representation by our Heroic yet futile attempts as shown by the examples and antics of our SDP leaders.

Principles are next to nothing when you really want to practically come into power to address the needs of the people. When you do not have the power to influence change, it is all talk and no support will be given for change.

It is already a fact that Hypocrasy is into today's politics when you have to win over support from people of the same kind.

Are we addressing the subject at different tangent ?

Certainly I can appreciate your position that one has to conform to the Political Party that one helped to build.

However, should we be held to ransom when the Party that "one has carefully bred" can decide to "have a will of its own" that differ from one's own principles ?

The fact remains Goh and Chia have both decided not to be the "Gung-Ho" characters - whom you have described from the SDP - and have decided to disassociate themselves from the changed philosophies of the WP that have diverged from their personal principles.

Is there anything to prevent Goh and Chia from serving Singaporeans in other forms or organisations ?

With regards to the "gung-ho antics" of the SDP Leaders - it is a matter of form and political play to shake up the status quo, in the face of the stubborn monopolistic grip on the local politics by the POWER OF ONE.

The effectiveness and consequences can only be felt over time, as the aftershocks may not reveal its full impact in the short term.

Looking at the series of small pictures, any positive progress in political changes made by the POWER OF ONE, can probably be attributed to the negative push by the SDP to put the spotlight on the dark sides of the POWER OF ONE.

When there is no push, the status quo will alway remain.

NotFromVenus SG

How ? in the manner of this political strategy is going to win the influence of change rather than being part of the decision making power?

Every WTO Meeting we have riots, protests and marches which brings out every wants which are practical or impractical wants by those who do not wish to contribute yet asks for fundings and exaggerated needs which practically this economic world cannot possibly adjust to.

Strategy is needed to form greater influence and power and appeal to greater attraction to people who wants to contribute to the organisation, and not be misrepresented by commando antics.

Atobe SG

Originally posted by NotFromVenus:
How ? in the manner of this political strategy is going to win the influence of change rather than being part of the decision making power?

Every WTO Meeting we have riots, protests and marches which brings out every wants which are practical or impractical wants by those who do not wish to contribute yet asks for fundings and exaggerated needs which practically this economic world cannot possibly adjust to.

Strategy is needed to form greater influence and power and appeal to greater attraction to people who wants to contribute to the organisation, and not be misrepresented by commando antics.

With this response, you are introducing a new element, and mixing two completely divergent issues into this discussion - WTO matters versus Singapore issues.

These are different subject matters and require different strategies.

For the immediate issues concerning Singapore, when one is no longer seen to be credible due to a willingness to compromise on Principles, can one continue to be effective when seen as a 'FRAUD' ?

The postings by Goh and Chia over the internet can hardly be seen as any attempts at commando antics - as the internet postings are their personal and honest opinions on issues raised in a "localised internet setting" that would have gone largely unnoticed.

Can conformity produce great minds ?

Compared to the early days of Singapore history, with a smaller population under Colonial Rule, we have seen great names of Singaporean philantrophists, entrepreneurs, community leaders that spread their charity across South-east Asia and into Mainland China.

Is it any surprise that in this 21st Century, with a population of 4.5 MILLION and after more then 45 years of independence that has brought progress, 'COMFORMITY' imposed by the Ruling Party on Singaporeans has made it harder to find talented Singaporeans with great minds ?

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