How to have more babies in Singapore

last SG · 2006-10-27T21:33:45+00:00

The topic here is not whether I like the education system or not. It is about having more babies. Btw, where did you have your education? You can't even un...

rojak12 SG

Cannot. Whatever proposed solution cannot add any pressure to social related issues (single and young parent etc). Remember, the family is the basic building block of any society.

Look at USA. Their biggest cost is social problem, not military spending or defence budget.

We need to lower the cost of bring up children and education is one of the big piece, if not, the biggest.

charlize SG

Originally posted by rojak12:

Cannot. Whatever proposed solution cannot add any pressure to social related issues (single and young parent etc). Remeber, the family is the basic building block of any society.

Look at USA. Their biggest cost is social problem, not military spending or defence budget.

We need to [b]lower the cost of bring up children and education is one of the big piece, if not, the biggest.[/b]

As parents, we worry and hope that our children don't blog nonsense and tell people double their age to get out of their uncaring elitist faces. Laughing

rojak12 SG

I think you don't realise the exact meaning and impact of a country population replacement ratio. We are talking about social related issue if birth rate stays this way.

the Bear SG

and i'm talking about the extinction of a planet if this increasing of population and stripmining of the planet to feed the population stays this way...

charlize SG

No, we may not.

But even a 6 year old kid understands that there is only so much food you can pile up on your plate at a buffet before your salmon and prawns fall off. Laughing

rojak12 SG

If we can't even solve our 20 years time problem, you want to talk about 200 years time problem?

The topic here is to discuss how to increase the birthrate of SINGAPORE, not about the "problems" it will bring.

ndmmxiaomayi SG

Let's calculate it slightly simpler, assuming a normal child studying at a normal institution.

Figures plugged out from MOE website, with the exception of pre-school education.

3 years of pre-school - fees at $20 per month

20 X 12 = $240 per year
240 X 3 = $720 at the end of 3 years.

6 years of primary school - fees at $11 per month

11 X 12 = $132 per year
132 X 6 = $396 at the end of 6 years

4 years of secondary school - at $21 per month

21 X 12 = $252 per year
252 X 4 = $1008 at the end of 4 years

2 years of pre-university education - at $28 per month

28 X 12 = $336 per year
336 X 2 = $672 at the end of 2 years

University education at $6110 per semester
Assuming 4 years of education, there's a total of 8 semesters.

6110 X 8 = $48880

Total cost - $48880 + $672 + $1008 + $396 + $720 = $51676 per child.

To have that 2.1 ratio, that means having about 40000 babies per couple.

51676 X 40000 = $2 067, 040, 000 --> Total amount we spend on education

That's assuming a normal route ONLY. If you consider the independent schools, autonomous schools that we have, it's not even this amount.

And I'm also assuming that the university fees won't increase during their study.

References:

Secondary School fees
Primary School fees
Junior College education
University fees

charlize SG

The only way to increase the birthrate of Singapore is to have more sex without contraception.

Happy now? Laughing

charlize SG

Steady lah.

Even quote sources. Laughing

the Bear SG

dude.. it isn't about 200 years..

it's the NEXT GENERATION!

welcome to the things people who choose ignorance don't want to know about Laughing

you know why solar power never took off? Big Oil doesn't own the sun! that simple

go do your research... it's there for everyone who gives a damn to find.. google is your friend...

if you are too lazy, go watch Attenborough Presents..

btw, if i had a wife, i'd love children too.. but do think about this.. what have your children to look forward to?

ndmmxiaomayi SG

Never in my reply did I say it will work. And it is not meant to be implied that it will work either. I'm only questioning if it will work.

So I'm assuming that who's paying are we ourselves, the citizens? GST, COE, transport, utilities bla bla bla, do you think it's enough?

And it's just assuming the students' education only. Teachers' salaries, the cost of running a school, books, exam fees, and what nots the schools buy, ARE NOT INCLUDED YET. Will such things be sponsored? If yes, how much more does the government pay?

Calculate and see who wins last. Laughing

ndmmxiaomayi SG

Originally posted by rojak12:

Cannot. Whatever proposed solution cannot add any pressure to social related issues (single and young parent etc). Remember, the family is the basic building block of any society.

Look at USA. Their biggest cost is social problem, not military spending or defence budget.

We need to [b]lower the cost of bring up children and education is one of the big piece, if not, the biggest.[/b]

Or is it?

You said the biggest cause is social problem. You hammered your own toe. Laughing

ndmmxiaomayi SG

And I still think you don't realize that you answered the question yourself. Laughing

rojak12 SG

I don't have to calculate it, because I am experiencing it. All I am saying is, education is free, not the latest handphone/laptop must be included.

ndmmxiaomayi SG

OK, suit you fine. Laughing

rojak12 SG

Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

Let's calculate it slightly simpler, assuming a normal child studying at a normal institution.

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Total cost - $48880 + $672 + $1008 + $396 + $720 = $51676 per child.

To have that 2.1 ratio, that means having about 40000 babies per couple.

51676 X 40000 = $2 067, 040, 000 --> Total amount we spend on education

That's assuming a normal route ONLY. If you consider the independent schools, autonomous schools that we have, it's not even this amount.

And I'm also assuming that the university fees won't increase during their study.

Thanks, therefore, it is very scary right? Even based on current number without inflation etc, it's about S$52K. ---> Just fees ONLY.

rojak12 SG

Read properly.

rojak12 SG

Free education is not welfare. Please note.

charlize SG

Fight, fight. Laughing

rojak12 SG

You also. Read properly.

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