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kilua SG

Originally posted by babymac13:
Quoted from the Singapore New Premier (by Alan Chong)

From Goh Chok Tong The sort of [b]ideal opposition is those that do not seek electoral support on the basic of falsehoods and false promises.

Their purpose, once in parliament, should not be to tear the government down, when they agree with certain policies, they must say so.

If the government makes a mistake, then they should criticize it. And they must be in a position to justify why they think it is a mistake
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Ideals are Ideals.... If you look at the current election, you know how dirty politics is. If you take a few quotes from LKY on his view on politics, what ideals are left?

the ideal press should also give fair coverage to opposition. The ideal state should not play unfair politics by denying opposition wards from national services and funds.

babymac13 SG

Please don't call LKY a political animal, although I must admit he's shrewed in politics. He just has his own temperament and character that is quite different from the former PMs (Goh and Lee). At his time, he need to affiarmative and decisive to build Singapore from scatch. Over the years, that's his character and it's not easy to for him to change and maybe unacceptable for some of us to accept his exceptional style. Please give him some credits.

[email protected] SG

sure. I give Hitler some credits too, so why shouldn't I give LKY some credits?

babymac13 SG

I think most countries will not give total freedom to the press. Imagine by allowing the Press to criticise other countries freely, what are the consequent?

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Quoted from Alan Chong on why our Press in Singapore was so tightly controlled?

"The government wants a well-informed Press. But the Press must understand the direction of the nation, what keep it alive and going."

Atobe SG

Originally posted by kivichio:
Should we pay Goh Keng Swee or Lim Kim San more than LKY - as all in the LKY Cabinet know that LKY is a 'dreamer' with his vision, while Goh Keng Swee and Lim Kim San is able to translate their 'dreams into actions' ?

I think very few people would characterize LKY as a dreamer and not a doer. The two other politicians while respectable, go nowhere close to the former in terms of what they have done for Singapore. I feel that you would have to agree with that.

You should refer to the thread "Goh Keng Swee - the true architect of Singapore" in which the following was stated :

Posted by kilua : 18 May 2006 - 10.40PM

Maybe You might want to hear what Old Guard Lim Kim San had to say about LKY.

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw00/001205aw.htm

But bottom line, what does Lim really think of his old mate, Lee Kuan Yew? Some whisper that Lim, like other "old guard" leaders Toh Chin Chye, Ong Pang Boon, Jek Yeun Thong and Devan Nair, is sour toward Lee for the way he always insisted on being No. 1. The talk goes that Lee was lucky to catapult straight into the premiership since it suited his talent for oratory, vision, and strategic thinking. Had he needed to deal with the nuts and bolts of running a specific ministry, he might have come a cropper. If Lim shares this view, he keeps it to himself. Publicly, he says that without Lee's leadership, Singapore "would probably be like a third-world country now."

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n.
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Was Lim Kim San being polite to address LKY being suited for "his talent for oratory, vision, and strategic thinking "- which in more derogatory terms will probably mean NATO - "No Action, Talk Only ".

Will the truth ever be known ?

Will you pay a Chinese worker in Guangzhou the same salary of a Singapore Worker ?

No and thank god for that since I wouldn't want to be getting the wages of a GuangZhou worker. I still don't follow your line of reasoning here. Again, as asked previously, are you insisting for a lower wage rate?

The statement made was not intended for you to be paid the low salary of the Guangzhou worker; but it had asked if you will be willing to pay the Guangzhou worker the same salary as the Singaporean worker ?

Based on the Standard and Cost of Living in Guangzhou, the Guangzhou worker will find the wages paid more then sufficient based on his local Guangzhou conditions, even though the wages are lower than the Singapore Worker.

Similarly, based on the Standard and Cost of Living in Singapore, the wages of the Elite should be pegged accordingly to match local Singapore conditions; and not arbitrarilly based on a basket of wages paid to some Western Corporate Leaders in the First World Corporate.

The Western Wage Levels has been designed for the conditions that exist in their society.

Can there be any relevance for the Singapore Elite to peg their remunerations based on the amounts paid to Elites from the Western Countries - other then a creative reason to justify the release of National Reserves to pay their high wages ?

Is this not corruption by legislation ?

Are we implying that other National Government Leaders - who are paid less than our Singaporean Elitist Leaderships - are more susceptible to corruption ?

Yes. A definite yes. And I'll state it once more for emphasis: YES

Good luck to Tony Blair, George Bush Jr, and the various national leaders of the other countries in the European Community.

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By the way, you will be surprised that the annual performance of a SINGLE US Private Corporation can be larger than the Singapore Economy - do the Singapore Leadership deserve to be paid such high salaries that are equal to that of the US Corporate Leader ?

Very, very few companies do have control of more finances than Singapore, bearing in mind our vast reserves and annual GDP. We are not a third world economy due to the vision of certain individuals [hint, hint]. And I doubt any company executive is reponsible for over 3 million individuals.

Are we not comparing the measurable aspects between leaders so as to justify the high wages paid ?

Based on your opinion, surely you are not suggesting that the high wages are justifiable due to the vast reserves and annual GDP ?

China today has a national reserves that is much larger than Singapore's, yet to the credit of its leaders, they have refused to accept LKY's philosophy of high wages will prevent corruption.

If Singapore is to be compared to a First World Country, then Finland - with her incorruptible and not so highly paid Civil Servants - will put the Singapore 'High Paying Civil Servants' to shame.

Our current lopsided ageing issue is due largely to the Family Policies of the 1960s and 1970s.

Again as stated previously, you equate all blame to the government. An aging population is an inevitable byproduct of increasing affluence.

If an aging population is an inevitable byproduct of increasing affluence, what about the vast number of aged that also exist in China, India and also in the various not-so-affluent countries of Africa and Latin America ?

Can we compare our affluence to that of the Americans in the USA, or the Europeans in the Euro Community ?

Definitely yes. The discrepancy between the haves and have-nots are also much less severe than the US.

Surely, you must be joking to compare the affluent Singaporean with the Americans in the USA and the Europeans in the Euro Community ?

What basis do you make such a comparison ?

A Malaysian Executive paid RM50,000 could probably stretch his salary to buy a bungalow house (at about the same price that we pay a 5-room HDB); and spend on monthly food for a family of five at HALF the amount that we pay for ours; and with enough left to send two kids to an overseas tertiary institution.

I would debate your statistics. In the US tertiary institutes at least, you will find a much higher representation of Singaporean students rather than Malaysian students. RM50,000 is a real stretch for affording two kids overseas, unless you're talking about somewhere other than Australia, US, Canada, or the UK.

Can Singapore with a population of 4.5 Million send more students to overseas tertiary level of educations, when compared to Malaysia with a population of 24 Million ?

Perhaps the following site will settle your statistical comparison of the number of Malaysian students going overseas for tertiary education - to overcome the discriminatory quota system that seems to favor one ethnic race over the others despite the poor qualification ?

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