MM Lee owes Singaporeans an apology

last SG · 2006-04-30T14:04:27+00:00

Dear all, Lets give sportsmandom a break. He has his view and we have ours. We should refrain from being like the pap and our ranked 140th media, forcing o...

duotiga83 SG

humility is ppl are hard to learn nowadays…...great that you HAD your SUCCESS…..but SOMEBODY may not have the SAME life as YOU

freakass SG

For your information, umemployment rate has gone DOWN. Cost of living going up is due to the effect of globalisation. This is an unavoidable situation unless u want Singapore to lag behind the other developed countries. And lastly, I dont understand why people blame low income on the government also. Why do people just blame everything on the government? Singapore is not made up of 100% government companies, so the government does not control your income. There are so many MNCs around. Your income is determined by your personal working ability and qualifications. Do not blame it on the government. You expect the government to feed you?

duotiga83 SG

we get is UNSECURE Jobs...not a SECURE CAREER......

as i havce mention in another thread

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=188133&page=1

You can have LOTS of JOBS to COVER your COST of LIVING, but do you have a SECURE CAREER?

norey SG

Shocked SINGAPORE (AP) -- The man who led Singapore to independence in 1965 said the government's opposition ahead of May 6 elections is a rabble with no chance of winning.

"I want a world-class opposition, not this riffraff," said Lee Kuan Yew, a former prime minister who now holds the Cabinet title of minister mentor. Lee, 82, spoke at a dinner Friday marking the 50th anniversary of Singapore's Foreign Correspondents Association.

Shocked Even he didn't insult us all Singaporeans < or just opposition? > I don't think his ideas of Singaporeans are great!
He boasted "If Singapore is a nanny state , I am proud to foster one!"

So who can sue him, not likely...However, lets Vote him out by voting with our People Power !

Pronewbie SG

You have been misled by the propoganda machine. Unemployment for Singaporeans is UP. And when I say cost of living, I mean tax increase that burden us. Cigarette taxes, GST +2% plus they feck our CPF up.

As for low income. I'll tell you why we can blame the government.
They pay foreign students and deprive locals to study in our local institutions. After which these foreigners steal our places in the working world because they have already signed a bond with the government to work here. Of course the govt will make sure they have work so they can pay back the money right?? Who gets richer? Government.

Tertiary education in Singapore gets you a much lower salary than other countries. Is it not the PAP's fault they could not transform Singapore fully into a KBE and attract foreign investors so that we can have better jobs for the highly educated ones?

The PAP have FAILED us!

Pronewbie SG

The best part is:

WHO SERVES NATIONAL SERVICE FOR THEM TO ENJOY PEACE AND SECURITY HERE WHILE THEY STEAL ALL OUR JOBS?

freakass SG

Ha! Where did u get your facts that unemplyment rate is UP? From the opposition rallies? Regarding high costs of living, it's a norm for developed countries. Do you know that Japan has a super high cost of living? If you want a low cost of living, please migrate to malaysia or indonesia.. Want to enjoy life, but dont want to pay...

Next, regarding your argument for low income, you blame the government for letting in foreigners? If you truly have the capabilty, you shouldnt be afraid of foreign competitors. A lot of MNCs are paying lots of money to capable Singaporeans too. On the other hand, if the government over-protects Singapore by not letting in foreigners, do you think that the Singapore market can survive globalisation? Our market is too small for stand-alone operation. We need a global market to remain competitive. Think of the big picture my friends.

duotiga83 SG

ok..i shall conclude: poor become poorer, rich to richer.

happy?

peassants like us great to starve to death

sometimes when you try to keep up the globalisation trend, have you notice do your ppl can catchup or not?

Pronewbie SG

I am not afraid of foreign competitors. My question to you is: Why does the government give them perks to study here and work here when locals can do an equally good job. Do you know that locals here who may score higher than foreign talent are denied a place because the tertiary instituitions reserve places for foreign students even before results are known? Is this fair to you?

We are using different platforms to judge unemployment. I'm using the Pre-1997 yardstick. Why should we use an unreasonable yardstick that suits the PAP? PAP says people are happy. To me happy is pre 1997 recession. And did you know that less than 50% of the employed workers last year were locals? Are you telling me that we are less able? We are less educated? And why are places reserved for them? Reports abound of young singaporeans who cannot get places in NUS/NTU and manage to get into pretigious Ivy League Universities. Do you still think we are incapable people?

Let me put the cost of living issue this way. Do you think the cost of living in Singapore could easily be lowered without unnecessary taxes from the govt? If they didn't pay ridiculous wages for themselves, do you think we would have 4% gst instead of 5%? They raise our cpf draw-out age because they hope we die before then! Is that what you want? For feck's sake.. It's your own hard earned money!

And I haven't even touched on Accountablity on Transparency yet.

Pronewbie SG

Are you sure you stand by your last point about Global market?
Are you trying to imply that to have a global market, we need foreign talent to steal jobs from capable singaporeans? To steal places in education from more than capable Singaporeans? I tell you something. Instead of stealing jobs from us, why not attract BIGGER foreign businesses to invest in Singapore? I'm fine with foreign talent in places more capable than us. But the GOVERNMENT, or rather, the PAP is cultivating a Foreign Talent policy that robs equally or more capable Singaporeans of jobs and degrees.

duotiga83 SG

I being SURNAME LEE has been disappointed by the LEE organisation have done recently.......

alien2 SG

cheers Pronewbie Let's talk about your points!

And I haven't even touched on Accountablity on Transparency yet.

go..on Does anyone know how much each Singaporean is entitled to in the GIC

Lowclassman SG

You mean other countries don't have these facilities for their people... accept and only the freaking pap doing for singaporeans Mad tell pap go and die

Pronewbie SG

He failed, in his previous post, to refute my foreign talent points. I take it that he admits the government should do something about it.

freakass SG

Yes I think I lost the argument... Vote for the opposition if u want to and let all hell break loose... BUT bear the consequences yourself!

I cannot deny that some of your arguments make sense but do you think that the opposition will be able to solve those problems? I still believe that it is better to let the experienced party handle such issues through our feedback rather than throwing the problems to greenhorns...

I'm going for lunch... Bye guys! Be back later...

duotiga83 SG

i quote(not fully) from WP

"We are not ask to form another govt. We WANT ALTENATIVE VIEWS"

duotiga83 SG

it does make sense 1 way of another....have DID you GIVE YOURSELF a CHANCE?

Pronewbie SG

You have come out of our debate an honourable person.

I still don't agree with your last view though. Nobody said that the opposition is going to form the government. What I want is for them to gain experience and maybe after 2 or 3 elections take over from the PAP. For others it's just for Power check.

Whatever it is, that debate should only re-open at least after this elections.

alien2 SG

Well freakass my friend, I really understand you, however getting older means we have more experience, however, you cannot tell others you know better or even more, we live in the Internet age, and information is just a finger tick away, respect is not a problem with you, neither did we ever believe you are not a old gentleman, but admittedly, we all can learn from one another! Rolling Eyes Very Happy

Idea the word for myself is: adapt and change, and if you feel comfortable to side with lao Lee..so be it, telling others to vote like you did - is like going to Mr.Lee's Peer group in Singapore Island Club or the Clubhouse and saying you've to get better ideas...or...
SIR...U r on the wrong turf! Cheerio to your good self!

king108 SG

Originally posted by Pronewbie:
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Don't fly when you haven't learn how to walk..at least birds also needed to hoop before lifting..

Rush will not get result..that is another chinese saying.. Laughing Learning must pay..

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