SDA's Edmund Ng takes up PAP's challenge to build HDB flats

last SG · 2006-05-03T01:41:31+00:00

Technically, this question can be answered easily. Lighting can be treated as another kind of electric. Right? Electric required conductor to flow and likel...

BillyBong SG

In case you are still lost, i was refering to the PASSING MARK, not the As, Bs or Cs.

The passing mark is never more than 50%, but could at times be moderated to a score

Moderation only goes down for the passing score, not up.

In any case, the issue remains that Mah Bow Tan did a controversial about turn, shifting his goalposts when the original set were beaten. Mr. Green

Where's his integrity now?

basilee93 SG

remember that the sore losers will make things difficult 4 u so by increasing cost and infalting land price

i really wonder how they can be goverment 4 50+ years Confused

boyish love SG

and the pap cant just get rid of him or else such departual will damage their rep. if mbt is opposition member than different. make noise already. wait so long!

so have to bear with him and do decorations for him. Laughing

Singapore_Shit SG

You can be assured that if such a thing had happened in a Third World Country, the minister would have been mutiliated and his body parts dragged through the streets over and over, finally fed to the dogs and pigs.

I-like-flings(m) SG

seriously.. the more i read.. the more i hope singaporean will wake up suddenly during this GE Evil or Very Mad also really make mi work harder to make sure i wont be fired and wont have to go back sg Mr. Green

dragg SG

hdb flats are subsidized, who will believe that?

majority of home owners are in debt.

hdb made billions from us.

gd4u SG

Originally posted by BillyBong:

In case you are still lost, i was refering to the [b]PASSING MARK, not the As, Bs or Cs.

The passing mark is never more than 50%, but could at times be moderated to a score

Moderation only goes down for the passing score, not up.

In any case, the issue remains that Mah Bow Tan did a controversial about turn, shifting his goalposts when the original set were beaten. Mr. Green

Where's his integrity now? [/b]

Wait a minute ... Do POLITICIANS really have integrity in the first place ?

I-like-flings(m) SG

u never go to the great singapore sales b4 meh????? mark up 100% then tell u discount 50% already.. so selling price is 150% lor...HDB so good to u right? Laughing

sh koh SG

[b In this case, I can assume the cost is actually that low.

maggot SG

$70,000 to $80,000 ? Laughing

Tell me how long to build a flat?

So the minimum workers how many? Rolling Eyes

Take a company's numbers then estimate

If let's say taking $20,000 as a worker's annual salary...how many workers can you employ before buying the raw materials?

Steel is very expensive these days Neutral

I say $70,000 to $80,000 is almost impossible even the land is free Rolling Eyes

seancannot SG

It is possible … my cousin bought a five room government flat in msia for RM 100000, the quality is better if not better than your HDB flat

I-like-flings(m) SG

u dun need a yr to build 1 flat u know? Laughing

Donavan SG

My one question to him:
Do you have the money?

maggot SG

Oh you mean those die cast flats? Laughing Really don't need a year

But the concrete mixture for that is "SO" expensive...forgot how expensive it is

Blue Dolphin SG

Originally posted by king108:

[b] You are making singapore government disgraced by saying the MND and HDB will allow you doing good work..Blue, you think singapore can allow you to "Ai Qi Teo Qi" .."Soo Ka Soo Ka Teo Qi".

I never studied much.Structural.Civil.Surveyor.Toilet bowl. New Water.Electric. All must pass before you can touch the ground...You think officer sit inside computer room play game only..they do their work ok..Please give them some respect..

I respected all previous and current minister in charge of HDB..all have done their good job which is why we are only doing upgrading of lift only. Without them, we wouldn't have the flat that we lived..wtihout them we will be still in village of 3rd World..

Don't talk like "Cheng Hu Lang"..when you are not even one hal..Go and ask BH..she can tell you can or cannot.

Unless you name your friend..else don't get your friend into further trouble by relevant ministry..for his act of unprofessional comments which can be prosecuted and removed from office.
Evil or Very Mad [/b]

Si mi tai chi, you got read correctly or not. I say flats cannot be built with that kind of price because basic things like steel and cement cost is high. So same as you say, cannot be done. Edmund talking as if no need to pay money one.

I also agree with you that without HDB, many of us got no good place to stay. When I was young, I stayed in rented room, my family first flat was a one-and-half room, not sure now still have or not. Only after many years we finally got a four room flat. Still remember that chinese new year, celebrate until siao. Really thankful to government. Nowadays new generation never sleep on the floor, wake up see rat staring at you one, cannot understand the feeling of having own roof.

People think land belongs to them and build flat takes less time than cook magie mee. No need go too far, just go nearby countries, see how flats are built. No infra structure, like roads, market, public transport, toilet system. Generation of instant gratification cannot wait. Think like SIM CITY, pit pit plat plat. Not so simple. Lots of visualisation, planning and co-ordination. Where got all raw material arrive on time one, project management is sometime crisis management every other day. Mr. Green

Lowclassman SG

Yes!!! Contract for building a unit of HDB flat range from Lowest was about $57,000 to $90,000 on average of 4rm and 5rm (for conventional types HDB flats...means design and administrated by HDB).

The piling cost will cost about $8000.00 to $10,000, Lift installation cost about $180,000 per unit, plumbing and sanitary about $6000.00 to $8000.00, Electrical installation cost about $5000.00 per unit.

To cut short. HDB has awarded design and build contracts to contractors at the tendering cost of $90,000 to $140,000 per unit which includes all infrastructures, service road, sub-station, Muliti-storey carparks, lifts installations, Plumbing and Sanitary, Electrical, Fire Fighting systems, landscaping, playgrounds and etc....whole package as also inclusive of design and consultation fees as well. Of course, the land cost is not incuded....but we are pure singaporeans...don't pap think that we deserve a shelter in singapore?...further more...we had served our NS which we had lost or sacrifice two or two and half years of our time to serve singapore? So...at what cost is pap talking and pricing of our land? Mad

Lowclassman SG

fabrication of Steel and labour for one unit of 4rm and 5rm cost about S$1300-1400. Quantity of steel bars for One unit average for 4 and 5rm is about 13 tonnes to 16 tonnes. (rough estimation)

Blue Dolphin SG

I am not sure how long on average it is to build a unit in a block of flats, but using private condos as a guage, it seems like it takes about a year and a half to build a block and it seems like it takes about a year to build a private house. So I suppose, the time difference to build a unit and a house is not significant; however, to average out a unit in a block of flats, then it is right to say it takes less than a year.

Sorry if I cannot answer any clearer.... Embarassed

maggot SG

So what are the opposition waiting for instead of building it to show PAP? Laughing

Unless the figures are not correct Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes

Blue Dolphin SG

I got this from Building Construction authority website. Random sample, did not search through, so may not be representative of average project. Just want to give a rough feel.

ERECTION OF 115 UNITS OF 3-STOREY STRATA TERRACE HOUSES WITH ATTIC, BASEMENT CARPARK AND COMMUNAL FACILITIES ON LOT(S) 4402L MK13 AT SEMBAWANG WALK - Project cost S$35,000,000.

I average out, 115 units, ie S$304, 347 per unit.
Lets suppose each unit is about 2000 sq ft (its 3 storey) and 4-rm HDB is about 900 sq ft so that works out to about $137K per 4-rm HDB size. I suppose the build quality of private house is more demanding but the cost of material is the same, and each HBD flat will require toilet, bomb shelter and water pipes, consequently making it more costly.

Note this is only construction cost, have not included water & electricity testing and connection, cable TV, telephone, clerk of work, architect, clerk of work and other cost. So another 10-15K per unit, I suppose, is reasonable?

Also, there are amenities around, like roads, bus stop, schools, lamp posts, sports facilities, which will add to the cost of building a small town.

Not sure if this calculation is fair. Any civil engineer or contractors out there??? HELP!!! Question

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