Death Penalty Appeal

last SG · 2005-10-26T11:18:18+00:00

oh my god......still talking about this hanging stufff......get over it.......its centuries ago......look at the hanging of the pure aussie guy in malaysia l...

pearlie27 SG

oops, that sounds personal too! do be careful.

Nelstar SG

Don't learn from iveco, i.e. Afterall he's a paedophile.

Laughing

iveco SG

Hush, doggie, hush. Laughing

Nelstar SG

Look who's barking.

Laughing

oxford mushroom SG

The only regret I have is wasting my time with a racist imbecile like you.

oxford mushroom SG

Read the hypocrisy of the Australians:

"....The death sentences for Bali bombers Mukhlas, Amrozi and Imam Samudra won tacit approval in Australia, from the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister among others.

"It's not, of course, the policy of the Australian Government to support the death penalty, but in these particular circumstances we won't be making any representations against the sentence," Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said following Samudra's death sentence in 2003.

These sentiments were echoed after the sentences of Ahmad Hasan and Rois over the Australian embassy bombing in Jakarta last year. "Whatever we may think about the death penalty, the fact that these people have been convicted is a very good thing," Downer said when Hasan was sentenced to death this year. ..."

(We're giving them enough rope by Sian Powell, Jakarta correspondent
December 03, 2005, The Weekend Australian)

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17444011%255E601,00.html

oxford mushroom SG

More on the hypocrisy of the Howard government:

...On August 7, 2003, Howard said of Amrozi's death penalty: "The Indonesian court has applied it and I accept that. I respect the jurisdiction of the Indonesian court and I do not intend to make any representations that it not be carried out. If it's the view of the Indonesian court that it be carried out, then it should be carried out. These crimes were committed in Indonesia and the law of that country must prevail."

The next day, August 8, Howard told 3AW's Neil Mitchell: "And I find it extraordinary that anybody can use the word 'barbarism' in relation to this man. I just find that extraordinary."

(Morals in the Mirror by Paul Kelly, Nov 26 2005, The Australian)

And I find it just as extraordinary that people with brains can take the Australians' side to castigate Singapore's decision...

oxford mushroom SG

"...The sentiments of disgust expressed are no doubt fuelled, in part, by the same sense of superiority that led to labelling Indonesian judges in the Schapelle Corby trial as monkeys and incompetent and deeming the judicial processes in Bali as backward and corrupt. For these imperialist attitudes, I have no sympathy. Especially when Australians are sending out a mixed message on the issue.

As Grattan (The Ages political editor Michelle Grattan ) notes:

Howard is not absolutist on capital punishment, although he opposes it for Australia and Australians abroad. Australias position is that it has no objection to a death penalty for the Bali bombers, which is a mixture of acceptance of Indonesias sovereignty and a stand of domestic political convenience.

This muddies the waters on Australias position on the issue and smacks of a malleable stance built on expediency. It suggests a nationalistic arrogance and, perhaps, even a neo-colonial mentality towards Asia that affronts..."

http://lingam.wordpress.com/2005/11/23/at-the-heart-of-the-death-penalty/

oxford mushroom SG

"...The obtuseness of progressive thinking amongst the political class in Australia, and its insensitivity to the particular problems of other countries, is notorious. It seems a general principle that any dictatorship, no matter how vile, which can be considered progressive or critical of America will have excuses made for it, while the lesser sins of democratic countries are the object of perpetual vilification and lying. Now the death sentence pronounced by the Indonesian court on Bali bomber Amrozi has stirred up a renewed debate in Australia on the acceptability of the death penalty. It is clear that most of the relatives of the Australian victims, with the exception of one or two whose hard-wired political prejudices have led them to try to make political capital out of personal tragedies, favour the verdict.

The Prime Minister has taken a more nuanced position. He has said simply that he will not try to interfere with Indonesian law if that includes the death penalty for grave offences, so be it. In this case the convicted felon is an Indonesian; Mr Howard might well have made a plea for clemency if he had been an Australian. The PM might yet decide to suggest to President Megawati that there are good reasons for commuting the sentence if it is confirmed on appeal. But he is not going to, nor should he, pick up on the practice so common amongst the morally vain in Australia of condemning Indonesia for not being governed to suit their prejudices. It is pointless to denigrate the Indonesian government because it has not yet abandoned capital punishment.

It is clear that the majority of Australian public opinion is in favour of the death penalty, as is American, and especially so in this case. ..."

(Foreign policy in theory and practice by PP McGuinness)

http://www.the-rathouse.com/quadedit57.html

Australians are happy enough for the death penalty to be imposed on a man who killed tens of Australians but consider it barbaric to impose it on an Australian who can destroy thousands of lives and their families. The amount of heroin Nguyen trafficked was sufficient for 26,000 doses!

sgdiehard SG

Well done, OM, thanks for the great efforts in exposing the double standard of the australian.

iveco SG

That is extremely uncalled for. Please take your personal squabbles with Ged out of this forum.

Same applies to Nelstar.

iveco SG

Originally posted by oxford mushroom:

"...The sentiments of disgust expressed are no doubt fuelled, in part, by the same sense of superiority that led to labelling Indonesian judges in the Schapelle Corby trial as monkeys and incompetent and deeming the judicial processes in Bali as backward and corrupt. For these imperialist attitudes, I have no sympathy. Especially when Australians are sending out a mixed message on the issue.

As Grattan (The Ages political editor Michelle Grattan ) notes:

Howard is not absolutist on capital punishment, although he opposes it for Australia and Australians abroad. [b]Australias position is that it has no objection to a death penalty for the Bali bombers, which is a mixture of acceptance of Indonesias sovereignty and a stand of domestic political convenience.

This muddies the waters on Australias position on the issue and smacks of a malleable stance built on expediency. It suggests a nationalistic arrogance and, perhaps, even a neo-colonial mentality towards Asia that affronts..."

http://lingam.wordpress.com/2005/11/23/at-the-heart-of-the-death-penalty/[/b]

Michelle Grattan is one of my most respected journos.

Axelheat755 SG

1) drug trafficker will freely transit thru here? joke of the world... a country that give leniency to trafficker in transit. we are not holland...

2) U dunno if they got pass to local ppl while in transit

3) u implying if not in our country, den dun bother kind of attitude? Rolling Eyes Clearing the world of drug need a world wide effort, not "its in transit, not my problem" kinda attitude Confused

Axelheat755 SG

one is a country a few times bigger den them

one is a country a few times smaller den them

pick ur choice Mr. Green Laughing

Gedanken SG

Me, racist? Wherever did I make any statement, or even implication, that one race was better than another? If anything, your monotonously repetitive piffle about convict colonies shows that you, in fact, are the racist. So now we can add hypocrisy to your list of faults. Laughing

Prattle on all you want, OM -you've just shown once again that you have a predilection for not only jumping to conclusions, but conclusions that come from so far out of left field they started in the right field.

As for the rest of your little cut-and-paste jobs, let me put this simply and see if you can follow it:
1) the Australian government appealed against an Australian being executed in Singapore
2) the Australian government did not appeal against an Indonesian being executed in Indonesia

The Australian government's mandate is to do what it can for Australians. Beyond that, it has no obligation, and some would say no right, to have any say. Now do you get that or should I draw it in crayon for you?

And once again, you the hypocrite (see the first paragraph) accuse the Australian government of hypocrisy. I'm not sure what you get when your square hypocrisy, but that's what you are. Laughing

Babs SG

In Australia the government have to stick up for your human rights if you are Australian citizen wherever in the world. This is part of the reason for embassies.

If no-one can respect this law then why ask to respect yours?

We have a government to look out for us, naughty or nice, wherever we are. Their job. Why we pay them, to look after us.

Must drive them nuts but they are accountable for us and I like it that way.

Someone to watch over you Smile

Babs SG

FROM oZ

We can get emotional over the death of people. This may upset people but then again when the tsumani hit the same emotion drove us to give like no time before.

We just care. We just want justice. We just want happy family. It may seem ideal but why not? I hear people think we are colonial but the truth is we have escaped that and all those inhumane laws while Singapore seems to delight in them still to this day. So who is colonial, still?

When the plane lands in Singapore the annoncement is

We about about to land in Singapore, please set your clocks back 100 years, flush your drugs down the toilet , place your gum under the seat and set your seat in a uptight position...and would Miss in seat 5 c stop that, it carries a death penalty!

sgdiehard SG

OZ was not the only one giving to the tsunami victims, many countries shared the emotion and gave much more. It is out of love and we don't need glory in return.

There is no death penalty under the British Law and Singapore introduced death penalty in 1975, after our independence. The true colonial residual is law without death penalty. I bet australia just continue to do what the Queen Her Majesty left behind.

The announcement was clear and simple for all to understand and respect. It was those who took it as a joke that ended up meeting the hangman. You either go learn your english or learn to respect.

Human being's whose behavior is governed by emotion alone knows nothing about civilization. It is a balance of emotion, rationale and wisdom that decide how civilized a society is. In our context, a society that condon drug abuses is not our kind of civilized society.

stay where you are.

Ding SG

I love Singapore the way it is.

I fully support the government of Singapore and it's law.

There are now one less drug courier to distribute drugs to not only Australians but also to the world. May others in the midst of similar situations 'WAKE UP' too before it's too late for them to do so.

Neutral

Babs SG

I do not condone drug use, just perhaps understand that some people are not strong enough to resist it. I do not like it, not because I think it is evil, but because as a society we are too cold to the problems these people have.

If we could integrate drug addicts into our society then they would be happy and they would be, but we scorn them even before they take drugs, We scorn people because they do not fit our perception of perfect. We put people under too much pressure and judge them like we are god.

I think we need to think about these people because one day it may be us. We all have a chance of not fitting in one day. You maybe young and popular, good looking and have a great life ahead now but then things go wrong and depression sets in. Capitalist society usually rejects the most creative most intelligent. It embraces the ordinary, the robot, the suit. It is good only for some, not for all.

So what do we do with the rest, those who seek escape from life's cruel roads. execute them?

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