M'sia to build cynic bridge

last SG · 2006-01-27T21:24:34+00:00

Evergreen's terminal agreement with PTP is likely to end Aug 2007 next yr... So fast 5 years have went past... As I can see the new svs Evergreen has introd...

sbst275 SG

Actually yes there is a threat

But whatever it is, if PSA continues to stay at what it is now, being customer oritened, it may win back lost customers. See Maersk now is going to make PSA as their secondary hub for some transhipment

MobyDog SG

Have anyone of you even notice that the ships need to pass the draw bridge if fully built?

Wouldn't that hamper the flow, on both the traffic on the bridge and shipping below it. The location of the draw-bridge also limits the size of the ships and also require regulating. If the frequency of shipping is high the draw-dridge will forever up, and if I am not wrong it's in the singapore side.

If half built.. the sea draft is very much lower and narrower.

storywolf SG

The problem is some part of the straits are too shallow for ships. they will have to wait for the high tide which does not support heavy shipping. Thus even the bridge is build it is only useful for small crafts and limited traffic .

sbst275 SG

No need to argue much

That 2nd Link bridge dun allow big ships to pass by, if you go notice the support structure

redstone SG

The clearance of the Tuas bridge is quite low for big container ships to pass below I think…

vIn.Warrior SG

aiya. Not tt i want to say...
NOW i see why there're SO little malays in army NS.

chikopek SG

If you see the actions of the m’sian gvernments it seems like they are forcing s’pore to build the bridge.

Dr Who SG

Malaysia has every right to do what they want with the bridge, it's their territory, it's their cash.

Singaporeans should not comment on other people's rights.
Don't be kaypoh.

Atobe SG

The new 'Cynic' or 'Scenic' Bridge will be built WITH the existing Causeway remaining intact - and will serve as a MONUMENT to the crooked relationship between Malaysia and Singapore for the last FORTY YEARS.

So long as the Causeway remains untouched, it is not our business to how the Malaysian decide on the 'Cynic' or 'Scenic' Bridge.

In any case, this new 'Cynic' or 'Scenic' Bridge will in all probability link their new Immigration Centre - built on an adjacent hill behind the present Johor Railway Station - to the lower level Causeway.

Without any decision from the Singapore Government to demolish the Causeway is there any option left for the Malaysian to build a 'Straight Bridge' - that will allow for a direct and straight link to the Singapore Immigration arrival and departure gateway ?

According to the Sunday Times publish this Sunday (Page 16), reprinting parts of a letter to a Malaysian Newspaper written by a Malaysian Urban Planner familiar with the project details - the blame lies on the Malaysian Government for this sudden and urgent decision being required from the Singapore Government.

It seems that the Central Planning Department had proceeded with the Master Plan to rebuild the Immigration Building without giving too much systematic thought to all the details of the project to cover also the approach routes to this building that will require an alternative to the existing Causeway.

It was only when all the components of the plan for a new Immigration Centre was at an advanced stage that someone realised the missing link.

The writer continued that if the Malaysian Central Planners had thought out the entire project clearly, it would have alerted the Malaysian Cabinet of the need to inform the Singapore Government, and perhaps allow the Singapore side to participate in the Master Plan for the southern gateway into Malaysia.

With some degree of joint consultation and earlier participation from the Singapore Authorities, there would have been a different outcome to the present acrimonius situation that exist.

JI^guy SG

Well, whatever it is, those working in the port must be willing to take a pay cut. The “opening” of the Strait of Johor will undoubtly increase competition for Singapore’s ports now that Tanjung Pelapas and Pasir Gudang are directly linked by sea. I doubt Klang will be a major threat as it is too far up North and would not be in a position as good as Singapore for ships heading to Australia. I think our only salvation now probably lies in the biomedical sciences as our ports will probably lose out to Tanjung Pelapas and Pasir Gudang because of prices unless all our port employees are willing to take a 60% pay cut.

pufferfish_79 SG

Anyone ever been to the northern shore of Pulau Ubin and see how close the Johor shore is ? And why are we so actively reclaiming land in our northern shore ?

The intention is to narrow the Johor straits so that larger ships will not be able to sail through according to International shipping rule.

And its really a relief that the Malaysian Govt decides to go ahead and built the half bridge. It will only serve to show the other nations and private companies what a joke the Malaysian govt are.

If the Msian govt can go back on their words , based on the 2 water contracts signed with Spore many decades back, and changing their minds many many times during the biliteral talks, how will the private foreign companies think ? If a govt can eat their own words though a contract had been signed with another govt, whats a PTE Company to the Msian govt?
Any contracts the pte companies signed with the Msia govt can be void too.

And the decision to build the half bridge, is showing other govts of foreign nations how irrational is the Msian Govt.

Come to think of it. Msia have problems with all its neighbour. The Sipadan islands in Sabah area, collision with Indo warships. Border rows with Thailand etc.

Boy. i'm really glad that they had once again showed the world and the foreign investors ( pte companies ) how irrational is the Msian Govt.

lionnoisy SG

progress of project----DEC 2005.

1.

Infrastructure works:
Infrastructure works i.e main drain , relocation works for PUB pipes and piling for Tanjung Puteri Bridge are in progress

PUB IS SPORE's PUB!!!!They are going to touch our pipes??

2.Why the main contractor has not mentioned the Scenic Bridge in the web site?

Project Components : Road Bridge

a) Length of 1.45 kilometres, comprising:
1. 350 metres of cable-stayed portion;
2. 500 metres of marine approach;
3. 600 metres of land approach to CIQ Complex.

b) Width of 34 metres
(current width of the Causeway is 24 metres)

The Road Bridge will have dual four (4) lane carriageways to accommodate light and heavy vehicles. A navigational span will be provided with a width of 75 metres and an air draught of 25 metres. The Road Bridge will be constructed of concrete.

3.

How they build
the bridge without touching the pipes ??

AF2005 SG

actually the new bridge with the curves looks okay to me. All i can say is, let them build their side of bridge and of course they have to charge toll money both ways. They have every right to do what they believe in.

If the charges are the same as tuas, then, i guess, 50% of singaporeans and malaysians will use the tuas bridge if they stay near the west. And a new JB town will surface in the west.

pufferfish_79 SG

All the best to the JB govt. With cheap budget air tickets to bangkok and a little bit more effort from the Batam govt, I guess we will be more willing to pay abit more to visit Thailand and get away from the rubbish and nonsense that the Msia govt had been throwing at us.

KumSioJui SG

I have a conspiracy theory .... I believe the reason why they want to build a new bridge is not just to allow commercial ships to pass thru, that just an excuse and a smoke screen.

A good analogy/riddle will be something like this.

Say there is a shallow but wide river running between your banana plantation and the forest and everynight a troupe of greedy monkeys from across will wade over and steal your precious bananas. So one day you become fed up and introduced a few buayas and piranas species into the longkang.

So in the end can the monkeys still wade over ? ... Yes they still can but it will be difficult. Wink

sbst275 SG

In the 1st place, as years goes by, shipping lines have realised Pelepas productivity is not that as great as the Malaysian port has touted. 1 crane only handles abt 30+ TEU per hr compared with 50+ TEU per hr here at PSA Singapore Terminal...

Klang has snatched CMA CGM from PSA back in 1996

Another issue is regards to shipping alliances, such glue the shipping lines together, that's why Petronas Subsidary - MISC have been using PSA terminal even as they have developed Johor

Another issue is the draft, Johor Straits can't handle big ships as of the Tuas 2nd Link bridge pillars

Anyway, back in Malaysia, many of my relatives are complaining as the $$ used for the bridge could have been used to help to improve public transportation in JB

lionnoisy SG

Our TPN(Third Party Note) pointed out that international facilities such as the Causeway cannot be lawfully demolished without the approval, agreement and involvement of both States.

---REMARKS BY MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS PROFESSOR S JAYAKUMAR, IN PARLIAMENT IN REPLY TO QUESTIONS ON SINGAPORE-MALAYSIA RELATIONS, 5 JANUARY 2004

redstone SG

Someone in another forum said that the Straits between Sarimbun in LCK and Johor is far too shallow (5m deep) for cargo or container ships to pass.... Confused

KumSioJui SG

I think they will have to touch the pipeline at some point but before that I suspect they will propose to build at their cost temporary pipelines connecting PUB johore to singapore mainland via the unused straits seabed so that just before they cut the old pipeline we can divert the water into the temporary pipeline. So this way there won't be any interruption to supply.

And after they complete their new causeway divert the water back into new permanent water pipes that will be running along their new causeway.

In the end it's up to our government how they want to respond.

redstone SG

Really think GCT, LKY and LHL would give way and build a bridge….

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