M'sia to build cynic bridge

last SG · 2006-01-27T21:24:34+00:00

Evergreen's terminal agreement with PTP is likely to end Aug 2007 next yr... So fast 5 years have went past... As I can see the new svs Evergreen has introd...

Salman SG

Really? So what does that 10% mean to you?

macjoe SG

Anyone can tell me and figure out what a "curve" half-bridge looks like from above?

Idea

storywolf SG

Frankly the causeway to Singapore army is nothing. We don't need it in military sense, because only an idiot would try to send an army using it when the other side will sure to mine it , and put every damn artillery and gun at it.

A modern army like singapore alway have opinion of crossing where ever they like, which is alway an element of surprise which defenders will not able to predict where.

sgdiehard SG

Originally posted by alien2:
Quoted from[b]the bridge is redundant......

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under common sense or nonsense or what's your own selfish reasons? Money or friendship ? There are over 1000 buses daily moving into Spore to carry workers from across the way. and the old causeway is too narrow and needed a new bridge after more than so many year of waiting.. what you think all Malaysians who come here to work want? Be considerate and think of our neighbors first![/b]

will the new bridge be broader than the causeway, can handle the train service and allow water pipe to run across??

with a new bridge that is elevated and much longer, it will be more difficult for those who walk across, think of them first.

use your common sense, don't even know how the bridge look like and want to talk so much.

give money to buy friendship, we don't need this kind of friendship.

sgdiehard SG

the bridge is redundant!!

lwflee SG

Hope some cock don't start talking about sending the army to secure water. Rolling Eyes

Gun SG

Originally posted by lwflee:
Hope some c[b]ock don't start talking about sending the army to secure water. Rolling Eyes [/b]

Who is talking about sending army for water ?
Until Newater comes along, this has been a well-known unspoken deterrance for over 3 decades. A classic example of "Speak Softly But Carry a Big Stick" policy, and it had worked, so far.

5 cens for 1 cubem3 of river water or for a brand-new million- $crooked bridge ? KL gov can talk about win-win and doing all these for Malaysian's interest while the actual fact is about $$$. Everyone knows that.

Singapore's conditions are even more interesting and it is not even about $$$:
According to Bernama report, Singapore conditions for cooperation in building a new Causeway inc ->
a) Malaysia selling sand to Singapore and
b) open up Johor airspace for its fighter jets' training purposes.

These are deals that any KL gov will find very difficult to handle within domestic politics.

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news.php?id=179113

Atobe SG

At least Mahathir's "10%" is that much more then the "no brainer, one-liners" support of the Singapore Government a.k.a the Ruling Political Party. . Laughing

Can we expect more then even "10%" from you ? . Mr. Green

AF2005 SG

haha, even illegal immigrants can swim across.

Salman SG

I think mahathir must be tried in court for his 10% corruption like Saddam.

Atobe SG

Can you think at all, let alone thinking clearly in any way as reflected in your "no brainer, one-liners" ? . Cool

What has Mahathir's 10% of Malaysian money got to do with you ? . Rolling Eyes

Look at your own backyard before you look at others - if he is taking 10% of every contract, we are losing MILLIONS wrapped up legitimately from our own reserves besides the losses incurred with all the BILLION DOLLAR foreign acquisitions. . Laughing

Still taking a long coffee break with your cup of "black crude" ? . Mr. Green

tiggersgd SG

let's not be too arrogant about this, just in case some overwhelmed, green-eyed neighbor see this and start all over again on the issue of who's army is greater, bigger and so on.

i believe a bridge is still necessary for any army to secure n use it to its fullest effectiveness due to logistical and strategical purposes.

element of surprise is a gain in the upper hand in any battle/war but without the necessary infrastructure that is currently in place to aid the above mentioned (logistics) for pro-longed battle n supplies to the frontal soldiers, the war is not going to last long.

if you have seen movies like band of brothers and others, securing bridges, towns and so on is significant for army HQs and especially so for the moving battalions which may be used strategically as a delay (lasting days and even weeks?) to re-inforce their own armies up front. artillery, mines and so on can be countered with but still the bridge is there. so why not use it instead?

on crossing the singapore/johor straits, yes, modern armies have many choices but certainly it will have other consequences like heavier casualties, logistically burden-some and so on. time is also crucial in maneuvering equipments and personnel across...not that singapore is not already capable of all these and more. (hush hush now)

for their (defenders and aggressors alike) intellegence to predict it is up to their resourcefulness and perhaps like they say, brain-power which hmmm..... Rolling Eyes i quote someone in this thread...."10%"?

tiggersgd SG

wow...u seem to be 'defending' ur beloved passe Dr. M alot. i really mean ALOT! Laughing

let me ask u a question...why does our neighbors like to call us names all the time?

is it so difficult to grow up a little more?

Salman SG

Atobe is a traitor that wants to destroy Singapore, thats why he supports terrorists like Mahathir.

tiggersgd SG

let me put this straight...i have no intention of stepping in to both of your squabble but seeing this (10% more?) i believe:

1. at least salman supported a cleaner govt.

2. Dr. M's 10%, if he wants it, take it for himself and shut up the big gap.

3. from living in singapore's POV, i think we have more than 10% (not of corruption) but even more than that in value both in terms of standard of living, currency exchange rates, public housing, public facilities, a better racial harmony, equality in different races and so on so forth.

4. we 'try' not to call others names first.

5. play fair

6. cleaner roads, cleaner air quality

7. no police to stop and 'demand' that you pay a fine which said they have your vehicle captured in their supposedly cameras as proof? (please refer to point 5)

8. better education standards

do we have more than 10% of what you have mentioned? i certainly think so.

strikefreedom SG

one of the reasons why PAP are able to sue ppl to bankrupt is becos these ppl can't refrain themselve from shooting their mouth off by calling other names, insulting, saying thing that doesn't have any basis.

in any situation especially politics this type of behaviour is totally disgraceful and unprofessional. and defintely it not abt freedom of speech nor right of anyone. so it better to keep calling ppl names etc isn't it?

sbst275 SG

Dr Mahathir thought he is crazy, he offends ppl easily...

Think many simply have forgotten what he said on V day 4 years ago.. His attitude is partly to blame for the strain in bilateral relations

As for water, anything from the seperate agreement cannot be changed

War? It is a senitive topic... Confused

BillyBong SG

It depends on how you see that 10%: a prized statistic or a fair reflection of the costs vs standard of living in each country?

While you have decidedly pointed out that SG benefits from just about every comparison vs Malaysia, does the 10%, when translated into physical attributes, match up to a our Malaysian counterparts? This when comparing our soaring oil prices, property costs, utilities and basic costs?

What price is this 10% worth to us in term of the exponential rise in basic costs compared to the low costs of living of our neighbours?

It is regrettable that our neighbours resort to name calling during elections or over minor diplomatic disputes. But remember that while Dr M has labelled us in the past, he is hardly alone in this matter. It is the manner of malaysian politics to dwell on nit-picking to gain every inch of political mileage, even at a neighbour's expense.

And while i respect your decency and 'fair play', you should also realise that there is simply NO SUCH THING AS FAIR PLAY in politics; just look at our local scene: Does Seetoh Yin Bin resort to unscrupulous tactics to gain the same mileage in his rivalry with Chiam ST in Potong Pasir? Is re-drawing electorial boundaries at the last min a fair deal to opposition chances? Is the use of GRCs to 'bring more neophytes' who ride on the coat tails of better known politicians considered FAIR? And you think Malaysia was bad...

Cleaner roads? Cleaner air quality?

Malaysian roads vs SG roads? Apple to orange comparison? Is that a fair assessment at all? Have you seen the massive LAND MASS that is Malaysia against the TINY DOT that is SG?

And i assume you're refering to vehicle exhausts with regards to cleaner air quality? Have you seen the TON of Malaysian BIKES releasing their carcenogic gases onto SG roads? Why the double standards in ensuring SG drivers comply with Viacom standards when they fail to enforce those of our neighbours? Again you think the fair play of Malaysian authorities is bad?

Bribery is always there; Malaysian police is rifle with them. But the main culprit is an impossibly large workforce and relatively low pay. There have been cases of bribery concerning our local boys in blue as well, even with a decent pay.

Have you encountered the Malaysian Chinese? Despite the Malaysian education system, many of them are way better performers than us, this despite our 'world-class education' system. And certainly, SG meritocracy has benefitted us, allowing all races a fair shot at the cake; instead of Malaysian politics insisting on bumiputra laws that include reserving a fixed number of university seats to safeguard the interests of the Malay majority.

No comment here...you can draw your own conclusion after a while in SC.

Atobe SG

You tickle my toes with your characteristic "no brainer, one-liner" . Mr. Green

Mahathir a 'terrorists' Question

Look at the mirror, perhaps you see a bigger 'TERRORIST' - like all terrorists are .

'NO BRAINERS' . Exclamation

Atobe SG

Originally posted by tiggersgd:
wow...u seem to be 'defending' ur beloved passe Dr. M alot. i really mean ALOT!

let me ask u a question...why does our neighbors like to call us names all the time?

is it so difficult to grow up a little more?

Defending ?

Or are we supposed to be one cut above the name calling neighbors ?

Should a First World Nation such as Singapore stoop so low and compete with a Third World neighbor for the title of 'Number ONE name caller' ?

Originally posted by tiggersgd:
let me put this straight...i have no intention of stepping in to both of your squabble but seeing this (10% more?) i believe:

If you can see anything straight about a 'crooked' 10% - you got alot more to learn. . Laughing

1. at least salman supported a cleaner govt.

"Salman supported a cleaner govt." . Question

That is a big joke - Salman's 'no brainer' attitude can hardly differentiate what is 'clean' or 'dirty' . . Cool

With so much secrecy shrouding the workings of the Singapore Government, GIC, Temasek Holdings - all of which even the Elected Presidency is thwarted from finding out the extent of Singapore's Reserves, and the Elected President's powers further tweaked to prevent a repeat confrontation - can anyone see anything straight in Singapore Politics ? . Rolling Eyes

2. Dr. M's 10%, if he wants it, take it for himself and shut up the big gap.

Surely, one ought to be fairer to a person of Dr M's stature as a PM of our "respectable" neighbor - whom we have to live till posterity. . Rolling Eyes

At least, he did not make any foolish attempt as Sukarno had done, but have given tacit moral support towards those who fled the ruthless political persecution of Singapore Opposition. . Cool

Even in the lowest ebb of the negotiation between Malaysia and Singapore, the water supply was not cut off - compared to what Putin had done in the bleakest of winter towards the Ukrainians by cutting off gas supply. . Cool

Lastly, is it morally right for anyone to base our opinion of anyone based on loose talk - especially that of Dr M is "Mr Ten Percent" ? . Cool

3. from living in singapore's POV, i think we have more than 10% (not of corruption) but even more than that in value both in terms of standard of living, currency exchange rates, public housing, public facilities, a better racial harmony, equality in different races and so on so forth.

We certainly "have more than 10% (not of corruption)" - but at WHAT COST to the population ? . Rolling Eyes

A population that has become DE-POLITICIZED, threatened into SILENCE, held CAPTIVE to a system that only further contribute to the annual surplus, IMPOTENT to express the desparate situation that Singaporeans are trapped in a Political System that perpetuate the continued strength of only the Ruling Political Party. . Cool

Singaporeans may have a stronger currency vis-a-vis the currencies of our neighbors, but what is the intrinsic value of the Singapore Dollar ?

When Singapore embarked on an industrialization program and abandoned our agricultural and primary food production efforts, we were told of the benefits in following a policy of Comparative Advantage.

Yet - despite a strong economy and a strong currency - our Cost of Living is much higher than that of our neighbors, whose weaker currency exceed a difference more than "10%" . Exclamation . Evil or Very Mad

4. we 'try' not to call others names first.

Names have already been called, when we label a leader of our closest neighbor a "Mr Ten Percent". . Rolling Eyes

We have also a stupendous 'Swine' - who supports the political system of the Animal Farm - and labelled all as 'whiners' who complained about the policies of those Elites with 2-legs and forgotten the years of toil and support from all in the Animal Farm. . Laughing

5. play fair

Play fair ?

When a "no brainer" whose capability is limited only to "one-liners" - and able to retort by "name calling" and false accusation of 'treachery' - can we believe in fair play ? . Cool

The 'no brainer' has used his limited capacity to learn the disparaging tactics very well from the 'elites' who feel threatened by those more capable.

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