Death sentence of Australian effecting SIA deal?

dragg SG

let our ministers worry about it.

100k per month you know!!!

lionnoisy SG

Qantas fr wikipedia

Ms SYDNEY, 19 August 2004.
The Chairman of Qantas, Margaret Jackson said that two-thirds of the 40 international airlines that operated to and from Australia each week were Government owned or subsidised and US and Canadian carriers received legislated bankruptcy protection. US airlines received US$15 billion in grants and loans after September 11 and also receive substantial Government support in relation to many security measures for which Qantas is not supported.

"Japanese airlines have received significant funding from their Government, Air New Zealand has received a NZ$885 million Government bail-out and the Italian Government has recently stepped in to rescue Alitalia," she said.

2.

Qantas: still flying high
Sunday, February 20, 2005,Business Sunday talks to CEO Geoff Dixon.
GEOFF DIXON: It could be close to it, but that is not just the reason that we don't want them fly. I think at some stage they will fly on that route. But we are asking really to say to make sure that we have similar advantages as Singapore Airlines. We are restricted. No matter what Singapore Airlines says, but I think the Australian Government realises we have real restrictions on our ability to fly into certain markets out of Singapore. They are very important markets for us. It is not Singapore's fault but is an issue that must be addressed. I mean this is about, you are talking about an industry that is totally regulated in those places where governments have a major interest no matter what.

ALI MOORE: But at the same time the more people Singapore Airlines brings into Australia, the more for to you fly around the country?

GEOFF DIXON: That's one way of putting it, but you have got to remember also that Singapore Airlines have open capacity between Singapore and Australia, which effectively means they have open capacity between Europe, the Middle East and Australia and they're doing that right now. They are a very big airline in Australia.

3.What did DIXON mean?Who's fault?

[email protected] SG

Hehehe.......... Mr. Green Agreed Wink

But then, S'porean, lets not get too carry away and become emotional, just like some Australian did with the hanging incident.

Be it a political or business decision, we need to understand the Australian have the right to make any decision they like.

For example, turn it around, what would Chew Choon Seng do, if he is the CEO of Qantas.

Believe he will fight likewise, protecting his own airline profitibility and staff benefits.

What would Yeo Cheow Tong do, if he is the Australian Transport Minister?

Likewise, he will fight like Singapore Government will do in order to protect our country interest and citizen survival.

Lets not turn this BUSINESS issue into a POLITICAL issue...... PERIOD.

macjoe SG

Don't see why we should allow Qantas to fly to inner Asia from Singapore.

Deny Qantas lah.

Idea

LazerLordz SG

Karmic debts. Twisted Evil

We have to realise that we should not get carried away by thinking that our brand of pragmatism is accepted by all.Most of the world still places their own interests first, so let it be a lesson in humility.

In time, hopefully we will understand why.

chunyong SG

SG where dare to fight back ?

lionnoisy SG

.Qantas continue fr SG fly to Frankfurt and London.Shared code to Helsinki,Paris,Zurich and Barhain,

But SIA all stop at Aussie and return to Sg

Is it fair mate?

2.Ban SIA .but allow Virgin to fly.Is it reasonable?

In terms of increasing competition, Aussie Transport Minister Warren Truss said that budget-carrier Virgin Airlines would have the opportunity to operate on the trans-Pacific route and could do so by as early as 2007.

He said Qantas and SIA provided a similar service and economic modelling had shown that granting Singapore Airlines the right would provide at best only a "very, very small" boost to tourism.

"We don't rule out the prospect of Singapore Airlines having a stronger role in services in and out of Australia into the future," he said.

"But when we negotiate any agreement of that nature, we want there also to be benefits for Australia.

"We could see little or no benefits to Australia in opening up the Pacific route to Singapore Airlines at this time."

3.Is the Open Sky Agreement bt SIA and Qantas restrict to desinations 2 countries?
Sg has no obligation to allow Qantas proceed her flights from Sg.
So,sorry,Qantas has to return back to Aussie once reaching Sg,like SIA
is flying now.

I think Sg will give a one year notice to cut or cancel Qantas flights fr Sg
to Europe.Aussie cant do anything under the Open Sky Agreement
which allow unrestriced flights bt Sg and Aussie.

lighthand SG

I don't think tit-for-tat will do us any good.

My worry is that Q will just continue on to KL for it's transits. If that happens who will be the biggest losers? The workers in SAT, SFI or other baggage handlers?

macjoe SG

We should not be afraid to lose Quantas business to KL. It's a case of unfair trade where Quantas gets access and enjoy business in and through Singapore but that's not the same for SIA in Australia and we should withdraw all benefits that Quantas is enjoying.

We should instead establish routes from NZ. Instead of flying back to SG,
SIA should explore landing and flying out of NZ back to Australia and US.

We need bargaining chips and if it's necessary to rescind them from Quantas, let's do it than to wait another 10 years.

Idea

lionnoisy SG

can we put all SIA Aussie--US route issue here

PRESS RELEASE - 23rd SEP 2003,

SIGNIFICANT LIBERALISATION FOR AUSTRALIA-SINGAPORE AIR SERVICES AGREEMENT ,Min. of Transport

PRESS RELEASE - 23rd SEP 2003

SIGNIFICANT LIBERALISATION FOR AUSTRALIA-SINGAPORE AIR SERVICES AGREEMENT

Singapore and Australian carriers will now have significantly liberalised access to each other's markets with the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the two countries today.

2 The MOU was signed by Mr Yeo Cheow Tong, Singapore's Minister for Transport and Australia's Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Transport and Regional Services, Mr John Anderson, in Singapore.

3 With immediate effect, airlines of both countries will be permitted to fly between Singapore and any point in Australia, as well as most intermediate points between the two countries, without restrictions. Further discussions about additional liberalisation measures will be held when there is greater stability in the global aviation environment.

4 Minister Yeo Cheow Tong said this Memorandum of Understanding marks a historic milestone in our aviation relationship.

5 "The significant liberalisation is a testament to our strong bilateral ties, and an expressed commitment of both sides to work towards a full open-skies agreement. I am greatly heartened by the progress that has been made, and I look forward to taking the next step to conclude a full open-skies agreement with Australia in the very near future," Mr Yeo Cheow Tong said.

6 Mr Anderson said that today was only the second occasion that Australia has entered into air service arrangements with another country that provide for open capacity between the bilateral partners.

7 "The first occasion was with our close neighbour, New Zealand, almost three years ago. The fact that the second country is Singapore reflects the importance which Australia assigns to its relationship with Singapore and the strength of that relationship on many levels," Mr Anderson said.

8 "I am particularly pleased that all gateways in Australia, including regional international gateways, will have greater opportunities to market their destinations, and attract new or additional services by Australian and Singapore carriers, with the removal of capacity restrictions."

9 Currently, Singapore Airlines and Singapore Airlines Cargo operate 70 weekly services to five Australian cities namely Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth. Qantas and Australian Airlines operate a total of 51 weekly passenger services to Singapore. Qantas also code shares on 14 British Airways weekly services over Singapore.

10 Over the past 5 years, passenger and airfreight movements between Singapore and Australia have grown at a compound rate of 9.6% and 7.0% respectively.

Issued by:
Ministry of Transport, Singapore
Australian High Commission
Office of Minister Anderson

Date: 23 Sept 2003

Just reading fr this release,we can hit back by cutting Qantas routes
to Europe as shown in my previouse posting.

oxford mushroom SG

Singapore has welcomed Qantas with an open door policy..."Come in, take whatever you like." Now SIA expects Australia to reciprocate in like manner. I find our leaders extemely naive..who do they think we are dealing with? The Pope? Dalai Lama? Mother Teresa?

These white supremacist hypocrites are the first to complain about protectionism and force others to open up their markets but scream 'dumping' and hide behind talk of national interests when they cannot compete.

PRP SG

When u say "you flout with the law here,you pay .....",then where is the "compassion for any law-offerers"?

Croaking_Toad SG

This just comes to show that Singapore got bullied again. Has always been Malaysia, now it’s Australia’s turn. We play too much by the book?

hyuuga neji SG

well... if we dun allow qantas to fly in...
then they'll go to kl or bangkok instead...
tat'll be like delivering customers to our competitors... Evil or Very Mad
s'pore will lose out more...

macjoe SG

What bargaining chips do we have with an eat-all-you-can-take open sky policy for Quantas? Stupidity that's what the Ozzie gov is saying.

We need to protect our national carrier SIA, not grant Quantas at the expense on our own carrier in our own soil.

That's the principle the Ozzie gov is teaching us and that's what we should learn and turn it on their national carrier though we prefer to work on an open sky policy for mutual benefit.

Idea

Pitot SG

Hmm, this is tit for tat. Politics.

Since they have granted DJ full access to the route. Perhaps SQ could consider buying in DJ or codesharing with DJ. Ever since, ansett was gone, Qantas lack some serious homeground compeition..

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