Australia considers taking S'pore to int'l court

last SG · 2005-11-21T15:36:47+00:00

for greater national security and interest, the OB markers have to be removed. we have a rule of law, let not some unspoken marker govern our society, if th...

Typhoon SG

NUREMBERG lah.

LazerLordz SG

The paint brush and tar is very tempting.. Twisted Evil

LazerLordz SG

Rexdriver SG

In case you haven't realised it, we are the unrepentent ones.

SMAPLionHeart SG

If you all kill him and it solves something , by all means , go ahead and do it.
If you kill someone and it still doesn't rectify the drug problem then what's the point?

Or is Singapore Law so unforgiving that it never gives people the chance to forgive?

Cigarettes are also a form of drugs too , why aren't people arrested for smoking then?

soloken SG

think you are finding bones inside an egg... Surprised

soloken SG

did anybody go to the sherperd church this afternoon where the service for Ngyuen was held?

iveco SG

Because the tax revenue from tobacco tax is extremely lucrative.

Nelstar SG

Because the time need for a packet of cigarettes to kill a person is almost the time the person gave up life for old age.

Laughing

Rexdriver SG

It started at 2:30pm and not 1pm as reported. There were quite a lot of people there, including reporters, cops (undercover?), Chee Soon Juan and lawyer Ravi (latter 2 not allowed in).

soloken SG

CSJ is there??? see tonite CNA got show or not.

pat33 SG

Killing him does not solve anything, agree. But to spare his life may unravel lot of things that Singapore stand for. For instance, we will signal to the drug kingpins that Singapore can now be used as a place of drug transhipment. Transhipment of drug will increase through Singapore. Not only transhipment but drug into our country will also increase.

Or is Singapore Law so unforgiving that it never gives people the chance to forgive?

The basis of Law is not about forgiveness, reforming, compassion etc. Although all these are the very elements of humanity. The basis of law is judgement and the law did not delibrately place Nyugen at this pathway, ie the law did not single him out for punishment. Nyugen did so, ie place himself on the pathway of such judgment, through his own action.

I feel that this case has a lot of emotion for people to talk nicely. Maybe now when it is over, we can talk with reason? But then again who will really care, now that the hanging is over?

Rexdriver SG

He was standing at the gate and not allowed in.

soloken SG

Any idea why he is not allowed?? Thought church is a public place too...

Rexdriver SG

That is not a correct understanding of the law when it comes to punishment. The law does take into account mitigating factors when sentencing and can also reduce sentences on compassionate grounds. And generally, the rationale for sentencing has moved from the punitive/ retributive model to the rehabilitative model. Our own system recognises reform as much as deterrence, although it tends to lean towards the latter.

There is room for compassion in law.

Rexdriver SG

I guess they didn't want the private affair to become a political stage.

cornyfish2000 SG

Err.. i strongly suggest that you do not do that. That's a crime that carries the mandatory death sentence.. and i doubt anyone will pity the criminal who receives the death sentence for such a dastardly act.

robertteh SG

Good point !!! Many have posted this suggestion to our presumptous leaders before. If we impose harsh laws and death sentence, we have got to achieve the intended results. If there is nothing to back up the presumptuousness that death penalty would eliminate drug, the problem would be a much larger one requiring greater understanding and total solution.

It is not wise to pass a lot of harsh laws like we have presumably intended to control certain problems but at the end these harsh laws did not quite solve the problems. It is using a sledge hammer to swat a fly.

Let citizens debate, parliament review all the harsh laws. Why keep assuming crimes or consequences which are not properly backed up with hard facts of cause and effect. Top-down leadership is full of such assumptions and presumptuousness. Drug law is only one typical instance to show that leaders can be terribly wrong in their autocratic assumptions.

pat33 SG

Read carefully what I said. I said the basis of law is judgement. Of course mitigating factors comes in later and not the other way round, with mitigating factors first. That was what I meant.

j_lu86 SG

Damn you singaporeans. just hang your own people, dont be hangin other peeps man. All you haterz out therem got no love for a asian brother.

And no i aint no singaporean. I'd kill myself if i was. You guys are like chinese but not. and wanna be westerners but not. hahaha

All ya'll good for is mimicing other peoples cultures and making them yours.

Respect for VAN.

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