Homosexuality is Against Nature

last SG · 2005-09-08T18:38:18+00:00

PRP I have already warned you. If you stoop down to personal attacks I will close your threads. Dear all, this thread is closed. PRP any restarting of this...

earthlings73 SG

AIDS in US started in gay community? Yes.
Is this gay the one and only person to bring AIDS to the world? No, there are multiple sources.
Is the very first case in HIV passed on by gay? No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS
AIDS is thought to have originated in sub-Saharan Africa during the twentieth century

Two species of HIV infect humans: HIV-1 and HIV-2. HIV-1 is more virulent and more easily transmitted. HIV-1 is the source of the majority of HIV infections throughout the world, while HIV-2 is less easily transmitted and is largely confined to West Africa. [1]

Both species of the virus (HIV-1 and HIV-2) are believed to have originated in West-Central Africa and jumped species (zoonosis) from primates to humans. HIV-1 evolved from a Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIVcpz) found in the chimpanzee subspecies Pan troglodytes troglodytes. [2] DNA sequencing indicates that HIV-1 (group M) entered the human population in the early 20th century, probably sometime between 1915 and 1941. [3] [4] HIV-2 crossed species from a different strain of SIV, this one found in sooty mangabeys (an Old World monkey) of Guinea-Bissau. [5]

The earliest documented HIV-1 infection dates from 1959, and was discovered in the preserved blood sample of a man from Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[6] In 1969, a 15-year-old African-American male died at the St. Louis City Hospital from aggressive Kaposi's sarcoma. AIDS was suspected as early as 1988, and in 1999, researchers at Tulane University School of Medicine confirmed this, finding HIV-1 in his preserved blood and tissues. [7] [8] [9]

In 1976, a Norwegian sailor, his wife, and his nine-year-old daughter died of AIDS. The sailor had first presented symptoms in 1966, four years after he had spent time in ports along the West African coastline. Tissue samples from the sailor and his wife were tested in 1988 and found to contain the HIV-1 virus (Group O). [10] [11] The next documented western death from AIDS was that of Dr. Grethe Rask in 1977. Rask, a Danish surgeon, had worked in the Congo in the early 1970s.

The official date for the beginning of the AIDS epidemic is marked as June 18, 1981, when the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention reported in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report newsletter that unusual clusters of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia had been discovered in gay men in Los Angeles in the early 1980s. [12] Over the next eighteen months, more Pneumocystis carinii clusters were discovered among otherwise healthy men in cities throughout the country, along with other opportunistic diseases (such as Kaposi's sarcoma [13] and lymphadenopathy [14]), common in immunosuppressed patients.

In June 1982, a report of a group of cases amongst gay men in Southern California suggested that a sexually transmitted infectious agent might be the etiological agent (MMWR Weekly, 1982) and was initially termed 'GRID' (Gay Related Immune Deficiency). However, the same opportunistic infections also began to be reported among hemophiliacs [15], heterosexual IV drug users, and Haitian immigrants [16]. By August 1982, the disease was being referred to by its new name, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) (Marx et al., 1982). An anagram of AIDS, SIDA, was then created for use in French (Syndrome d'Immuno-Déficience Acquise) and Spanish (Síndrome de Inmunodeficiencia Adquirida) (Direction Générale De La Santé, 1982).

In May 1983, doctors at the Institute Pasteur in France reported that they had isolated a new retrovirus from lymphoid ganglions that they believed was the cause of SIDA (Barre-Sinoussi et al., 1983). The virus was later named lymphadenopathy-associated virus (LAV) and a sample was sent to the CDC, which was later passed to the National Cancer Institute, USA (Connor and Kingman, 198 Cool . In May 1984, Dr Robert Gallo of the National Cancer Institute also isolated a virus that caused AIDS, and named it Human T-cell Lymphotropic Virus-III (HTLV-III) (Popovic et al., 1984). In January 1985 a number of more detailed reports were published concerning LAV and HTLV-III, and by March it was clear that the viruses were the same, from the same source, and was the etiological agent of AIDS (Marx, 1985; Chang et al., 1993). In May 1986, the International Committee on the Taxonomy of Viruses ruled that both names should be dropped and a new name, HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus), be used (Coffin et al., 1986).

chronicles SG

IF you dont like them, kill them..

earthlings73 SG

I don't quite understand this paragraph. Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens were both descendants of Homo Erectus. Do you mean that Neanderthal extinct because all of them are homosexuals?

PRP SG

Mod,

Why do u need to intervene what we are discussing about?Have i or we broken any rules or law?Have i make personal attack against other without basis?U are biased on this topic.That's what i conclude.

PRP SG

So Heng doesn't intend to answer my question whether he is a liar.I believe he is.However,he is honest enuf not to lie that he is not.

PRP SG

Atobe has given all the heatlh risks of homosex,so can one still say it is right?

greengoblin SG

Speak to Fireice.

Jie. Take note pls. Thanks

greengoblin SG

Ehh blind goon read what I wrote. What did I say about religious stuff? Post it in EH. And in your thread, you have never followed the arguments on the other but rather tried to bait others to flame.

And why do I need to intervene...simple... 'cause I am in charge of SC.

They have not broken any rules. You have.

Better think with that poor excuse of your brain before posting.

CenturionMBT SG

Up yours you lah you bloody moron. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS HERE UNDERSTAND!!!!

I am starting to dislike this thread.

Contemplating closing thread in 24 hrs.

Pika wan to be mod ahh.... Laughing speak nicely to fireice hor...

FI.... your call Rolling Eyes

Atobe SG

Originally posted by earthlings73:

Quote from post by Atobe:

How did you come to a conclusive statement - "But you need to be a religious zealot before you can "might" succeed..... " ?

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washingtonpost.com
Vowing to Set the World Straight
Proponents of Reparative Therapy Say They Can Help Gay Patients
Become Heterosexual. Experts Call That a Prescription for Harm

By Sandra G. Boodman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 16, 2005; HE01

Nicholas Cavnar said he tried everything he could think of in his 30-year quest to become heterosexual. He spent years in therapy, paying thousands of dollars for treatment designed to overcome his homosexuality. He faithfully attended meetings of Christian self-help groups for "strugglers." He married and fathered three children, a metamorphosis featured on the cover of a Catholic magazine.

Yet every day, the 54-year-old Washington publishing executive recalled, he had to suppress his deepest feelings about who he really was -- emotions he thought he had left behind at 20 when, to the delight of his devout family, he abruptly renounced his openly gay life in San Francisco.

Three years ago, Cavnar said, after soul-searching prompted by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, he decided his days of "white-knuckling it" were over. "I told my wife I couldn't not be gay anymore," recalled Cavnar. His biggest regret, he said, was the devastating impact ending their 26-year marriage had on the woman who had struggled with him.

Cavnar's odyssey -- from gay to ex-gay to ex-ex-gay -- is inextricably linked to his long involvement in reparative therapy, a controversial form of psychotherapy aimed at making gays straight.

While its supporters cite success stories from their clinical practices as well as a recent and much debated study showing that conversion therapy can work, the treatment is opposed by virtually every medical and mental health organization, including the American Medical Association, the U.S. Surgeon General and the American Psychiatric Association (APA), which removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in 1973.

Until the early 1990s the treatment, also known as reorientation therapy, was largely relegated to religious groups or to the fringes of mental health. Mainstream therapists have been taught to help patients distressed about their homosexuality work toward self- acceptance, to overcome the internalized homophobia thought to be the cause of much emotional turmoil.

Reparative therapists reject the views held by an overwhelming majority of mental health practitioners. They regard homosexuality as a pathological preference forged in the crucible of a troubled childhood and not, as most scientists believe, an inborn orientation significantly influenced by biological factors such as genetics and exposure to hormones in the womb.

"I don't think sexual orientation is genetically determined, but like a lot of preferences we have in life is a complicated and idiosyncratic mix of temperament and experience," said Warren Throckmorton, a supporter of reparative therapy who is an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College in Pennsylvania and former president of the American Mental Health Counselors Association. "The other reason I think change is possible is that
I've worked with a lot of clients who've done it."

In the past decade, the growing influence of religious conservatives and the national debate over gay rights, especially gay marriage, has revived interest in the therapy, significantly raising its public profile, spawning new practitioners and igniting debate about a matter that had been considered settled, supporters and critics agree.

"Reparative therapy is the laetrile of mental health," said New York Psychiatrist Jack Drescher, referring to the quack cancer cure banned in the United States in the 1970s.

To gay rights activist Wayne R. Besen, the author of "Anything But Straight," a 2003 book that tracks the history of ex-gay groups, the therapy is "a kinder, gentler form of homophobia. The argument has shifted from 'You're harming society' to 'You're harming yourselves.' "

After four postings from ONE referenced article that reported on three ( ? ) cases of failure in corrective therapies, there still is nothing that indicate that one has to be a RELIGIOUS ZEALOT - in order to be successfully corrected as a HOMOSEXUAL.

You prefer to highlight that part of the report to suit your preferred position in this on-going debate, why did you not highlight the part that states :-

Spitzer's study has special resonance: In 1973 he was the driving force behind the removal of homosexuality from psychiatry's diagnostic manual.

Thirty years later, he said, he decided to test the widespread hypothesis that reparative therapy never worked. "I like to challenge conventional notions," he explained.

Despite the active cooperation of NARTH and ex-gay religious groups, Spitzer said it took him more than 16 months to recruit 200 people who had undergone treatment.

He conducted 45-minute telephone interviews and found that 66 percent of 143 men and 44 percent of 57 women, all of whom Spitzer described as "highly motivated" and almost all of whom were "extraordinarily religious," had achieved "good heterosexual function" lasting at least five years.

They were in a committed relationship, had satisfying heterosexual sex at least monthly and said they were rarely or never bothered by homosexual feelings.

In an accompanying commentary, former APA president Lawrence Hartmann, a professor at Harvard Medical School, called Spitzer's study "too flawed to publish."

Hartmann noted the study was retrospective, that it lacked controls or independent measurements, and was based entirely on self-reports by people who were motivated to say they had changed because of their affiliation with ex-gay or anti-gay groups.

Atobe SG

Originally posted by earthlings73:
Focus on this paragraph:

Although no rigorous outcome studies have been published, Nicolosi
estimates that one-third of patients treated at the Thomas Aquinas
Psychological Clinic, of which he is founding director,
experience "significant improvement -- they understand their
homosexuality and have some sense of control" but may still have gay
sex. Another third, he said, are "cured": They don't have gay sex and
the intensity and frequency of their same-sex desires is diminished,
but not necessarily gone. The other third fail to change.

This is an optimistic estimation since it's supplied by the same therapist who offered the therapy.

1) 33.3% Unchanged.
2) 33.3% Significant improvement but still have gay sex. Which means they have not changed they sexual orientation, just less promiscuious.
3) 33.3% Diminishes in same-sex desires. But sex drives will fall naturally one ages. Sex drive peaks at 25 year-old when testesterone level is at its peak. However, these people do not change in who they are attracted to. So is this a real change?

More critically, saying that homosexuality can be cured without showing us where's the cure does not prove the point that such therapies work.

Can anyone change one's persistent cynicism if one has no wish to change ?

In this world, 33.3% are religious, 33.3% are aetheist, 33.3% are agnostics - the various communities continue in its various paths without endangering each other's existences with abuses and malpractises that spread diseases.

Atobe SG

Originally posted by earthlings73:

Originally posted by Atobe:

What can we say of the sub-species from which AID/HIV had probably began ?

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AIDS in US started in gay community? Yes.

Is this gay the one and only person to bring AIDS to the world? No, there are multiple sources.

Is the very first case in HIV passed on by gay? No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS
AIDS is thought to have originated in sub-Saharan Africa during the twentieth century

Two species of HIV infect humans: HIV-1 and HIV-2. HIV-1 is more virulent and more easily transmitted. HIV-1 is the source of the majority of HIV infections throughout the world, while HIV-2 is less easily transmitted and is largely confined to West Africa. [1]

Both species of the virus (HIV-1 and HIV-2) are believed to have originated in West-Central Africa and jumped species (zoonosis) from primates to humans. HIV-1 evolved from a Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIVcpz) found in the chimpanzee subspecies Pan troglodytes troglodytes. [2] DNA sequencing indicates that HIV-1 (group M) entered the human population in the early 20th century, probably sometime between 1915 and 1941. [3] [4] HIV-2 crossed species from a different strain of SIV, this one found in sooty mangabeys (an Old World monkey) of Guinea-Bissau. [5]

The earliest documented HIV-1 infection dates from 1959, and was discovered in the preserved blood sample of a man from Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[6] In 1969, a 15-year-old African-American male died at the St. Louis City Hospital from aggressive Kaposi's sarcoma. AIDS was suspected as early as 1988, and in 1999, researchers at Tulane University School of Medicine confirmed this, finding HIV-1 in his preserved blood and tissues. [7] [8] [9]

In 1976, a Norwegian sailor, his wife, and his nine-year-old daughter died of AIDS. The sailor had first presented symptoms in 1966, four years after he had spent time in ports along the West African coastline. Tissue samples from the sailor and his wife were tested in 1988 and found to contain the HIV-1 virus (Group O). [10] [11] The next documented western death from AIDS was that of Dr. Grethe Rask in 1977. Rask, a Danish surgeon, had worked in the Congo in the early 1970s.

The official date for the beginning of the AIDS epidemic is marked as June 18, 1981, when the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention reported in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report newsletter that unusual clusters of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia had been discovered in gay men in Los Angeles in the early 1980s. [12] Over the next eighteen months, more Pneumocystis carinii clusters were discovered among otherwise healthy men in cities throughout the country, along with other opportunistic diseases (such as Kaposi's sarcoma [13] and lymphadenopathy [14]), common in immunosuppressed patients.

In June 1982, a report of a group of cases amongst gay men in Southern California suggested that a sexually transmitted infectious agent might be the etiological agent (MMWR Weekly, 1982) and was initially termed 'GRID' (Gay Related Immune Deficiency). However, the same opportunistic infections also began to be reported among hemophiliacs [15], heterosexual IV drug users, and Haitian immigrants [16]. By August 1982, the disease was being referred to by its new name, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) (Marx et al., 1982). An anagram of AIDS, SIDA, was then created for use in French (Syndrome d'Immuno-Déficience Acquise) and Spanish (Síndrome de Inmunodeficiencia Adquirida) (Direction Générale De La Santé, 1982).

In May 1983, doctors at the Institute Pasteur in France reported that they had isolated a new retrovirus from lymphoid ganglions that they believed was the cause of SIDA (Barre-Sinoussi et al., 1983). The virus was later named lymphadenopathy-associated virus (LAV) and a sample was sent to the CDC, which was later passed to the National Cancer Institute, USA (Connor and Kingman, 198 Cool . In May 1984, Dr Robert Gallo of the National Cancer Institute also isolated a virus that caused AIDS, and named it Human T-cell Lymphotropic Virus-III (HTLV-III) (Popovic et al., 1984). In January 1985 a number of more detailed reports were published concerning LAV and HTLV-III, and by March it was clear that the viruses were the same, from the same source, and was the etiological agent of AIDS (Marx, 1985; Chang et al., 1993). In May 1986, the International Committee on the Taxonomy of Viruses ruled that both names should be dropped and a new name, HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus), be used (Coffin et al., 1986).

So after so many pages in the closed thread, and on-going in this thread, the gap in our views is converging on some issues.

At last, we are on common ground in agreeing that the AIDS/HIV virus had originated from the sub-species.

Was there any dispute that AIDS/HIV is NOT the exclusive property of the HOMOSEXUAL Community ?

In all the reference materials posted, there were no attempts to delete out the fact that HETEROSEXUAL PROMISCUITY and DRUG ABUSERS are also susceptible to contracting and spreading AIDS/HIV.

Unfortunately, all reference materials posted had indicated that the HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY is EXPOSED to the HIGHEST HEALTH RISK from the preferred dangerous lifestyle that will contract and spread AIDS/HIV.

Atobe SG

Originally posted by earthlings73:

Quote from post by Atobe:

If HOMOSAPIENS have developed light years ahead of the Neanderthal Age HOMOSEXUALS, who do you think are still living in the Dark Ages, and attempting to pull normal HOMOSAPIEN communities to accept the HOMOSEXUAL lifestyle and leading HOMOSAPIENS deeper into extinction ?
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I don't quite understand this paragraph. Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens were both descendants of Homo Erectus. Do you mean that Neanderthal extinct because all of them are homosexuals? [/b]

Yes, HOMO SAPIENS and NEANDERTHAL are both descendants from HOMO ERECTUS.

Unfortunately, the APES and OTHER SUB-SPECIES are also from the Neanderthal Age, and have remained so in their evolutionary process.

If HOMOSEXUALS need to justify their preferred HOMOSEXUAL POSITIONS with the same acts as those sub-species that remain locked in the NEANDERTHAL AGE, will that not lead the HOMOSEXUALS to the same consequences of the NEANDERTHALS ?

Or perhaps you will find comfort to some NEANDERTHAL species that remain unchange in their evolutionary process and continue to exist to this day - despite all the various diseases that strikes their species - ( and other species as well ) - from time to time ?

earthlings73 SG

Originally posted by Atobe:
Originally posted by earthlings73:
After four postings from ONE referenced article that reported on three ( ? ) cases of failure in corrective therapies, there still is nothing that indicate that one has to be a [b]RELIGIOUS ZEALOT - in order to be successfully corrected as a HOMOSEXUAL.

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I apologise for using the word "zealot" then. How about conservative Christians (as opposed to progressive Christians)? From the same article:

Hector Roybal, a 52-year-old financial consultant in Los Angeles,
spent four years in intensive treatment with Nicolosi, who considers
him to be cured. Roybal concurs, but said he still sometimes
struggles with sexual feelings for men, although he has remained
faithful to his wife, the only woman to whom he says he feels
physically attracted.

"I saw myself as someone who had a problem with homosexuality but was
meant to be straight," said Roybal, who, like Nicolosi, is a
conservative Catholic. "This is about making a choice."

And you failed to quote these paragraphs. Even Spitzer himself did not use his results to support a "cure" for gays.

While Nicolosi and others frequently cite the study as proof
reparative therapy works, Spitzer said his results have been
misrepresented. "It bothers me to be their knight in shining armor
because on every social issue I totally disagree with the Christian
right," he said.

"What they don't mention is that change is pretty rare," he added,
noting that the subjects of his study were not representative of the
general population because they were considerably more religious.

And Spitzer calls "totally absurd" the twin hypotheses that everyone
is born straight and that homosexuality is a choice.

And how about addressing this issue directly. How you found any "cure" that not religiously motivated?

earthlings73 SG

This was my from my initial post:

AIDS in US started in gay community? Yes.
Is this gay the one and only person to bring AIDS to the world? No, there are multiple sources.
Is the very first case in HIV passed on by gay? No.

If you think that US is the world. I have nothing to say.

US started in 1980s. Prior to that, other countries have found something similar but did not know what's the syndrome all about. The syndrome has a scientific meaning only in the world after US discoveries. But that does not mean that HIV virus was spread from gays.

There are multiple sources, multiple conductors over the years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS
AIDS is thought to have originated in sub-Saharan Africa during the twentieth century

Two species of HIV infect humans: HIV-1 and HIV-2. HIV-1 is more virulent and more easily transmitted. HIV-1 is the source of the majority of HIV infections throughout the world, while HIV-2 is less easily transmitted and is largely confined to West Africa. [1]

Both species of the virus (HIV-1 and HIV-2) are believed to have originated in West-Central Africa and jumped species (zoonosis) from primates to humans. HIV-1 evolved from a Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIVcpz) found in the chimpanzee subspecies Pan troglodytes troglodytes. [2] DNA sequencing indicates that HIV-1 (group M) entered the human population in the early 20th century, probably sometime between 1915 and 1941. [3] [4] HIV-2 crossed species from a different strain of SIV, this one found in sooty mangabeys (an Old World monkey) of Guinea-Bissau. [5]

The earliest documented HIV-1 infection dates from 1959, and was discovered in the preserved blood sample of a man from Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[6] In 1969, a 15-year-old African-American male died at the St. Louis City Hospital from aggressive Kaposi's sarcoma. AIDS was suspected as early as 1988, and in 1999, researchers at Tulane University School of Medicine confirmed this, finding HIV-1 in his preserved blood and tissues. [7] [8] [9]

In 1976, a Norwegian sailor, his wife, and his nine-year-old daughter died of AIDS. The sailor had first presented symptoms in 1966, four years after he had spent time in ports along the West African coastline. Tissue samples from the sailor and his wife were tested in 1988 and found to contain the HIV-1 virus (Group O). [10] [11] The next documented western death from AIDS was that of Dr. Grethe Rask in 1977. Rask, a Danish surgeon, had worked in the Congo in the early 1970s.

The official date for the beginning of the AIDS epidemic is marked as June 18, 1981, when the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention reported in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report newsletter that unusual clusters of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia had been discovered in gay men in Los Angeles in the early 1980s. [12] Over the next eighteen months, more Pneumocystis carinii clusters were discovered among otherwise healthy men in cities throughout the country, along with other opportunistic diseases (such as Kaposi's sarcoma [13] and lymphadenopathy [14]), common in immunosuppressed patients.

In June 1982, a report of a group of cases amongst gay men in Southern California suggested that a sexually transmitted infectious agent might be the etiological agent (MMWR Weekly, 1982) and was initially termed 'GRID' (Gay Related Immune Deficiency). However, the same opportunistic infections also began to be reported among hemophiliacs [15], heterosexual IV drug users, and Haitian immigrants [16]. By August 1982, the disease was being referred to by its new name, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) (Marx et al., 1982). An anagram of AIDS, SIDA, was then created for use in French (Syndrome d'Immuno-Déficience Acquise) and Spanish (Síndrome de Inmunodeficiencia Adquirida) (Direction Générale De La Santé, 1982).

In May 1983, doctors at the Institute Pasteur in France reported that they had isolated a new retrovirus from lymphoid ganglions that they believed was the cause of SIDA (Barre-Sinoussi et al., 1983). The virus was later named lymphadenopathy-associated virus (LAV) and a sample was sent to the CDC, which was later passed to the National Cancer Institute, USA (Connor and Kingman, 198. In May 1984, Dr Robert Gallo of the National Cancer Institute also isolated a virus that caused AIDS, and named it Human T-cell Lymphotropic Virus-III (HTLV-III) (Popovic et al., 1984). In January 1985 a number of more detailed reports were published concerning LAV and HTLV-III, and by March it was clear that the viruses were the same, from the same source, and was the etiological agent of AIDS (Marx, 1985; Chang et al., 1993). In May 1986, the International Committee on the Taxonomy of Viruses ruled that both names should be dropped and a new name, HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus), be used (Coffin et al., 1986).

I did not at any point disagree that gays are more promiscuious. But that's just a relativity. In Singapore, the breakdown is still 70% staights 8% bisexuals 22% gays. My point is not all gays are promiscuious and not all straights practice safe sex.

From MOH
http://www.moh.gov.sg/corp/publications/statistics/hiv.do
Mode of Transmission 1985-92
'93 '94 '95 '96 '97 '98 '99 '00 '01 '02 '03 '04 Jun 2005
Sexual Orientation
- Heterosexual 75 47 62 83 103 135 163 154 194 191 184 183 206 81
- Homosexual 54 6 15 17 12 12 12 29 12 26 30 40 72 34
- Bisexual 18 9 9 10 20 15 19 14 16 16 12 14 22 2

earthlings73 SG

Neanderthal went extinct because Homo Sapiens started to move into Neanderthal's territories.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/tv_radio/wwcavemen/

Let's us focus back on the main argument again. A claim of "homosexuals are unnatural" has no basis.

1) It can be found in nature.
2) It's not a new phenomenum. Homo Sapiens just do not evolve over-night to become a species with no homosexuality.
3) Anal sex? I had quoted an article earlier to say that anal sex is not practice by homosexuals alone.

laurence82 SG

Can start to +1 already?

Mr. Green

earthlings73 SG

Yes please... Smile

Ah.. If pika is added as a mod, could you help to close this thread too?

Btw, I do think that Pika is objective enough to handle moderating duties..

In case this gets misinterpreted, I'm not saying that the current mods are not doing their duties... Thank you guys... Smile

CenturionMBT SG

can...i wun stop you.

pikamaster SG

thx for ur support. Very Happy

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