Are there too many degree holders?

geran76 SG

hi,

After reading this post, i believe it is quite true that singaporeans are becoming too materialistics. come on, a degree holders and a diploma holders come to your owned company. Which 1 will u hire? A diploma holders that earned 24k per year or a a degree holders that earned more than 36k per year??

archon1234 SG

As a country progress, it should experience a wholesome developement in both technologies, services, banking and other sectors. However, our country likes to use the tactic of putting all eggs in a basket in the past. Just look at the industry policy in 1990s, gov insisted that we should not spare any effort in semiconductor sectors and property / construction sector. We poured in so much money and open so much courses in Poly and Uni to crater for these star industries; as a result we experienced a sudden over supply of "skilled labour" when the semicon industries moved out, construction / property market crashed after 1998.

Today, our gov is again pushing for Biomedical and Service sectors. Well, let just hope that the history would not repeat itself again.

modgurl SG

Eventually, when you're out in the working world, you realise that how you apply whatever knowedge you've learnt matters. I've experienced being subordinates to new superiors who were just out fresh from school. Since most came from an academic background, they try to apply textbook knowledge in the working place with unfavourable results.

I guess you have to ask yourself, why are you learning this? Why are you in school? If you're doing it because the government says it's the way to go, then I think you're just wasting your time. I think most people can't differentiate lifelong learning and studying. Most people study but they don't learn.

PM Lee highlighted ITE and Poly education in his ND Rally speech to reassure people that there are options to the education system here. It's not just the straight path from PSLE to GCE O to GCE A to Undergraduate. Whatever path we take, I think we have to do it with the right reasons. Ideally, people should respect that.

He could also be asking the local universities to wake up and start being real i.e. incorporate more practical modules in their syllabus.

Atobe SG

The ultimate fear of the present Singapore Government aka the Ruling Party is to have many "trained minds that go hungry" - as it creates a volatile situation for themselves.

Too may "trained minds that go hungry" will defeat their cherished position of "FILL the Stomachs, and DULL the Minds" .

How do you DULL the THINKING and TRAINED MINDS of so many jobless Graduates that have HUNGRY STOMACHS ?

The current situation is typical of an Economy that is not open, and very much dependent on an inflexible and slow moving CENTRAL PLANNING, in which the Politicians are slow in responding to changing directions of the markets and industries.

Politicians tinker with the Education System to provide trained labor into industries that are the "favorite pets of the season" .

Unfortunately, the Education System takes SIXTEEN Years of Primary to Tertiary Levels, and the trained labor output are rigid in the training and exposures to be of any use to industries and businesses that have transient business and products Life Cycles.

With external Global Factors being constantly blamed for our present predicaments, the Million Dollar Salaried Elites clearly show that they are unable to respond to the Short Term Challenges with their Long Term Plans that target the World as our Market.

Elfred SG

Emm... Why isn't me one of your 'Fresh out of the School' superiors...? When will I become one? Mr. Green

The problem is not really practical or not practical stuff...

Now it seems the most practical stuff is to learn how your wife cleans the toilets, that after you reach 40 as a manager, at least you can end up as a toilet cleaner...

Condition not getting really better, it so seems.

modgurl SG

Hahaha! What’s the obession with toilets? And what makes you think women these days know how to clean toilets? They know how to get someone else to clean the toilets for them.

Elfred SG

Hahahahaha... Maybe that's why we've got even a cert for cleaners...

You know, to make sure man cleans toilet as good as their wives... or used to be their wives' chores.

Speaking of gender equality, that may be a good point. Laughing

Know that I am not very... easy with the development in recent years.

seancannot SG

Thats the problem in developed countries like japan, UK too many grad while they shunned the low end job… in near future plumber will get more pay then grad that wat happen to UK now

geran76 SG

that i agreed on it.. even australia do want any graduates.. they wan more trained skilled person.. meaning more woodcraft.. house builder and so forth.. Why??? industry demand its services.. We, Chinese tend to aim higher.. like earning more money or getting more power or high post.. Is it right??

macjoe SG

There's a reason for the PM to highlight ITE and Poly edu. The P-O-A-U edu system produced too many lookalike breed of scholars and mindset and when you have that over 20 years, the economy of scholars collapses. There are no carpenters, shoe-makers, fashion designers, fashion models, song writers, musicians, etc but just too many "expensive" accountants, doctors, engineers, lawyers "everywhere" here for the IR and Marina Bay project. Fun in Sg surely will suck.

Shocked

ndsef SG

I am going to get me one of those toilet cleaning cert. Who knows, one day I might just be paid $5k (PV) to clean a toilet, bec all you degree snobs shun the low end jobs! After all the aunties and uncles hand in their I/Cs and Bangalore and India demand higher wages for their workers, I will be rich!!!

geran76 SG

lol.. got such cert.. i dun mind.. 1 extra cert in my pocket..

orwell76 SG

Degree holders are overrated?

geran76 SG

haha.. my sec school teacher used to say.. a signboard dropped in orchard road.. dunno how many o lvl students died.. now is degree student died..

3Rabbits SG

I have made numerous trips to USA and Australia over 10 years. It is interesting to note that public toilets (i.e. parks, theme parks, rest stops and shopping malls, etc.) over there are far much cleaner than those in Singapore. Despite boasting having world class facilities and number one positions, we cannot even keep basic amenities like toilets clean and in working order. So much for having a world class education system. Maybe we focused too much attention and resources on big items to inflate our egos and massage our insecurity.

Elfred SG

You very smart. Usually when jobs like this one reaches $5000, then many people cheong for such certs, and you'd be there to capitalise on the 'upgrading' opportunities cos, again, usually you'd find something as the World's First Toilet Cleaning 101 Degree and Master program...

Don't people realise, now you can't even apply for social workers for those higher position no matter how compassionate you are if you don't have the Degree for Social Works... kinda. A plump Malay lady was heard telling at one such career fairs quietly: '...eh, remove all those applications without (social work) degree qualification...'

As always, I happened to be there.

Now you all know how much passion cannot compare to one cert. Mr. Green

Who say degree no important?

geran76 SG

Originally posted by Elfred:

You very smart. Usually when jobs like this one reaches $5000, then many people cheong for such certs, and you'd be there to capitalise on the 'upgrading' opportunities cos, again, usually you'd find something as the World's [b]First Toilet Cleaning 101 Degree and Master program...

Don't people realise, now you can even apply for social workers for those higher position no matter how compassionate you are if you don't have the Degree for Social Works... kinda. A plump Malay lady was heard telling at one such career fairs quietly: '...eh, remove all those applications without (social work) degree qualification...'

As always, I happened to be there.

Now you all know how much passion cannot compare to one cert. Mr. Green [/b]

thats why people must understand that cert is sometime very important.. But is it a must?? Society should started to review on the types of education people are getting?? Are they getting the right one for the job?? or are they chosing the right type of jobs?? Nowadays a lot of jobs do not have the neccessary skilled person for the jobs.. and Singapore economy required them a lot more to complement those with degree.. in a platoon, u need a officer, a plt sgt and a lot of soldiers.. But without these soldiers where do we have the officer and so forth??

Elfred SG

It's a must... Because in 1970s it was a must. In 1980s it still was a must. And so 20000s, it will still be a must.

People will tell you, without that [email protected] cert, how to show quality???

What skill? The only best job now when everyone is picking the gold in China and India is in the civil service. Get As on every papers you sit, or be looked down at. Simple.

Skills? Ain't schools already enabled you all the qualified skills officially already?

Do you think that skillful sales person will really complement happily a Marketing degree holder when he could be setting up his own marketing companies and hire degree holders as commission based sales persons... Mr. Green

Wake up... this is Singapore. No degree means No Life.

If everyone no get degree, who gonna pay $40,000 course fees to some lecturers who'd otherwise earn $1500 selling kacang putehs...?

geran76 SG

i agreed with that.. Lolz.. singaporeans are becoming too materialistics about the way of life.. Thats why we need to review the wages structure of all professionals.. And how much are they getting pay? Which i think unlikely.. Sigh..

Elfred SG

Yeah... but that's not materialistic, that's basic man instinct. Who don't wanna make as much as possible while doing as little as possible? Laughing

But you wanna check, go stand for elections lah... Wanna join party to check, join PAP you can have internal check, join opposition you external check, never join, chey... how to check?

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