Awareness of gay issues in S'pore: A political perspective

last SG · 2005-08-01T21:17:38+00:00

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lwflee SG

Possibly? But then that can be said about people entering into heterosexual relationships as well.

lwflee SG

And what exactly is the harm in that? What is the advantage in you trying to force these youngsters into heterosexuality?

earthlings73 SG

First of all, I encourage you to take some time to go through the information here. Smile

And the answer to your question is Nope. Being gay is never fashionable. You will start to realise you are different once you hit puberty. While classmates of yours are busy looking at the opposite gender, you have to hide your inner feelings towards the same gender. If you are found out, you will be ostracised.

In fact, lots of gays do not ever want others to find out that they are gays.

If you have time, talk to your cousin, but without passing judgements. Just understand what it takes to be an "outsider" of the mainstream culture.

earthlings73 SG

dont think there will be official figure on that. Laughing

but in general, gays are more drawn towards the performing arts. and hence, should have a higher chance for them to self-select into a set-up like MDC.

however, do also note that not all gays will want to sign on the 302, it's degrading to sound the least.

vito_corleone SG

i'm straight but i also wanna go to mdc.. Laughing

ahpeh SG

Your immediately wrong if you treat homosexuality as a fundamental mistake in the nature of things,you see, there are no mistakes in science and nature.

Some say homosexuality is a learned behaviour, other argue that it is its a part of a person's innate instincts.Common belief that it is a combination of the 2.

Sure, you can change the behaviour, as it is but just the execution of the thought. And since the mind controls the thought, the behaviour can similarily be controlled, but it is as far as that.

An individual may be able to repress his homosexuality by not acting out,and "learn" heterosexuality,but he is not forgotten of his original sexuality. That the behaviour can cease to exist but the thought which causes it remains.The problem with this arguement is that it treats homosexuality as a learned behaviour. Sure, it may be true, but if homosexuality is a learned behaviour, wouldnt heterosexuality similarily be a learned behaviour too?

If you regard it as a matter of genes, then theres no arguement at all.They were born way, so were you and I, and neither of any of us did have a choice on who we wanted to be, and if we wanted to be something else, we had to repress our innermost, or rather our fundamental physiology.

Now that would be wrong

PRP SG

Earthlings,
U said i am a fool,so i say u are a lousy intellectual.

PRP SG

Is sodomy a learned act?I believe it should be.

One can feel attracted to both same sex or opposite sex persons.Such attraction is of course not within our control.But whether to have sex with same or opposite sex person,it is a willful act.So if a homo wants to engage in homosex,then don't blame the gene cause it!

PRP SG

Originally posted by PRP:
[b]A way to be accepted

Everybody kows smoking is wrong.But we accept smokers.Smokers don't argue there is no right or wrong about smoking.They also don't argue smokers are born.They don't form an association to fight for their rghts.Yet society accept smokers despite their wrong habbit.Homosexuals,I think you all can learn from them.[/b]

Heng said the above msg was written by a fool.I post this msg again to let other readers to judge.

ahpeh SG

Well your not a fool but ur arguement is void.

No.1

Smokers make a concious choice about smoking, Homosexuality, is rarely a concious choice.

No.2

Smokers don't for thier rights, because apparently, their rights have not been infringed on, even when they are openly a smoker. And as far as smokers are concerned, the discrimination they face are a fraction of those faced by homosexuals.

Homosexuals,however, if they are out of the closet, face harmul discrimination, lesser job opportunities, "gay bashing". Even certain schools expel students because they are gay.Sexual contact between 2 males, 2 females, in Singapore, is still considered a crime.

No.3

Sure, you may argue that smoking is a wrong habit.
It is not.
smoking is a bad habit, it is not a wrong habit.If it was wrong,or in clearer terms, socially unacceptable,then it would be criminal.

Homosexuality on the other hand, is not right or wrong, it is a variant of natural behaviour in humans.Who is to decide whether homsexuality is wrong or not? It would like deciding whether being a woman is wrong, because homosexuality is not a habit, it is a mindset, it is a behaviour, it is a way of life. Homosexuality is not something which u can get rid of if you are affected by it, because it is not a problem in the first place, it is something different.

ahpeh SG

whoops

earthlings73 SG

so why must homosexuals practice total abstinence? isn't this a discrimination. is sexual drive natural? oh hell it is. most people cannot go through an entire life without sex.

so how can we trust what you believe in? any evidences to share? you cannot use "what you think" as an evidence to support any position. In the past, we have Philosophy to do that. But then, in modern days, we have Sciences to help address these issues.

so far, we have not seen how did you construct your arguments. Rather, you have accepted that gays are wrong and refuse to read or listen to any comments that follow.

I do not need to show that you are a fool. The references I quoted help me to do the job. Hey wait, did you even read those articles? do u have any comments on those articles?

lwflee SG

What is your point? I don't get it. Please humour me.

PRP SG

Ahpeh,
The above msg show that sexual actions are concious acts.

earthlings,
There are monks, & Catholic priests in this world.They abstain from sex.

iveco SG

But what is their sexual orientation in the first place? Anyway, abstaining from sex does not mean these clergymen can't go dating at all before they take up religious life.

lwflee SG

So your point is that since the act of intercourse is a conscious act, we should stop doing so?

ahpeh SG

PRP dont twist my words.

Im not talking about the act of intercourse, but Homosexuality in general, Homosexuality is not a concious choice, a person does not decide which sex he is attracted 2.

caleb_chiang SG

Agree... Wink

lotus999 SG

The title of this thread is very misleading. Whatever discussed did not offer any political perspective to the gay issues in Singapore at all. This dicussion should be in Chit Chat and not here.

earthlings73 SG

It is about the level of awareness in the political scene.

The current detour in discourse is due to "troll" like behaviours of some users which is out of our control.

To help, I promise not to reply to PRP's posts anymore. Laughing

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