WTF LTA !!! cyclist hurt by stupid device

last SG · 2005-07-16T18:47:03+00:00

err...FUN ? You consider this discussion for FUN ?? oh yes. I must hv mis-understood you and wasted my time in appreciating your sadism of "hoping someone g...

crazy monkey SG

a speed barrier could be better design.

ya right the cyclist is suppose to push the bicycle across the brigde.

but when its 6:30 am in the morning when he could be the only person using the bridge, that would be the smartest thing he would do.

i wonder if there is any predestrian who has not cross a junction when the light is red on a dessert juction in his life.

i am not a cyclist btw.

Bloop... SG

I agree the design could be better, but then again... designs could always be better.

I think the fact that it's 6.30 in the morning doesn't mean he can cycle on the bridge. Cause if that's the case, then what? Is 7am ok? 8am? 9?

Or you're saying it's because there's no one on the bridge? What if there was one person? Two? Three? What's the limit before they get off their bikes? Do you think a person who pushes rules won't keep pushing as long and as far as they can?

Can we drive on the sidewalk it it's 6.30 am and there is no one there?

Pedestrains do break rules too... and if one did run a red light and because of that, hit a bar on the other side of the road and hurt himself. Is it really the LTA's fault?

crazy monkey SG

tell me you never jaywalk in your life.

Bloop... SG

Yes I have. I've ran across roads that I'm not supposed to. I've tripped and fell across a chain barrier at the Tampines mall too because of that. I don't blame the LTA for that chain being there.

I take the blame for not seeing that chain because I was jaywalking.

Simple as that - Don't place blame on someone else's shoulders when you get hurt doing something you're not suppose to do.

If a traffic cop had run out and stuck his foot out in front of me, that's a diff story.

Same in this case, it's not like the LTA hired someone to hide behind a bush with a rod. Then jump out and hit cyclists on their heads.

I-like-flings(m) SG

there is really nothing wrong with the barrier.. i have seen alot of it around places where i am now....seriously singaporean are so funny... Rolling Eyes try getting ram by a full speed bicycle b4 u start kpkb ing...

lwflee SG

Look, i think you are missing the point here. Yes, there is nothing wrong with trying to make cyclists dismount, or at least slow down, in the interests of the safety of all users of the bridge.

What is objectionable here, however, is that the device is of such a design as to be likely to be deadly to cyclists. It does not take a genius (i hope- i might be overestimating my fellow humans here) to figure out that:

1) Cyclists are likely to be approaching the barrier at great speed since the barrier is located at the foot of a ramp, and

2) Said cyclists might be unable to avoid the barrier and be struck in the head or upper torso while cycling though the barrier, and

3) that being struck in those areas would likely result in severe injuries.

Are we going to be deploying anti-personnel minefields on all public roads next?

I-like-flings(m) SG

why are the cyclists likely to be approaching the barrier at a great speed when they are suppose to dismount and push ur bicycle???

so are u saying that car will approaching a traffic junction at a top speed? and if the light turn red and they have to brake suddenly.. and kissed the car infront of them then it's the in front car's fault?

Rolling Eyes

Bloop... SG

What do you propose? A barrier so high they can cycle right under it, or so low that they can't push the bikes under?

It's a ramp. Of course if someone was to cycle down it, which I have to reiterate they are not supposed to, they will pick up speed.

All your arguements circle around the same thing, they will get hurt if they cycle where they shouldn't.

Don't give ridiculous arguements about minefields, the barrier isn't hidden ready to pop up infront of an unsuspecting cyclist who is cycling somewhere they are allowed to. If anything, this would be the same as you making an illegal turn and driving so fast that you don't see a lowered gantry and hit it.

SBS9828X SG

looking @ comments posted, Wudnt it be better if a separate one is made… only thing is cannot

crazy monkey SG

you trip and fell. you didnt break your neck.

Bloop... SG

So the degree to how badly you cause your own accident by failing/refusing to do what you're suppose to dictates whose fault it is?

crazy monkey SG

the point is the device is dangerous and poorly installed.

I-like-flings(m) SG

then why not u tell us how it's suppose to be install?? 20m height limit, 20m width? Mr. Green

crazy monkey SG

1 the barrier is install only on one end
2 the area was poorly lit
3 its at neck level

go read the newspaper report yourself.

I-like-flings(m) SG

no sg newspaper here and newspaper where i am will not report this kind of stupid news as this kind of barrier is EVERYWHERE!!! and i can only agreed with u on the 1st point that it's stupid to have it on 1 side only... maybe they run out of budget lah Mr. Green

crazy monkey SG

forget to add. its paint green to blend in well with the surroundings.

I-like-flings(m) SG

Originally posted by crazy monkey:

forget to add. its paint green to blend in well with the surroundings.

i never know that bridges in sg are painted GREEN!!! Mr. Green

Bloop... SG

It's only dangerous if these cyclist insists on cycling on the bridge/ramp. If you feel it's "poorly installed", then how would you install it? Any lower and a bicycle can't be pushed under. Any higher and these bull-headed, irresponsible idiots will just cycle under. Any further out and they'll cycle around it. Any softer and within a week someone would have broken it so they can keep cycling there.

So what? Status quo? We are to rely on the signs that have already been there for the last 4 years at least telling them not to ride on the bridge? That obviously did not work.

My point is that people should learn to take responsibility for their own actions. If they choose to do things they are not supposed to and get hurt in the process, do not go pointing fingers in all other directions.

It is tragic that that man got hurt, but he would be home with his family now had he pushed his bike like he was supposed to.

Think back on how many times you've read in the papers of people gettng hurt by cyclist on pavements, etc; Places they aren't supposed to be cycling. Even all that still failed to appeal to these cyclists who will bend the rules to suit themselves.

When my shoulder got dislocated by a damn cyclist on that bridge, do you think he stopped? Do you think he offered to pay for my medical bills? No, he just picked himself up, barely mumbled a sorry and left. What if I was an older person?

So no, it is time to take enforcement of that "no cycling on the bridge" rule one step higher than just signs on BOTH sides of the bridge, which these idiots ignored for the last 4 years.

iveco SG

Painted green? No objection to it, but hard to notice. Maybe the top of the bar could have a luminous red and white strip.

Bloop... SG

No, I don't agree on point one either. You know how long that bridge is? Even if it was on both sides, they'll still push it through one end, get on the bike and cycle across again.

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