Hong Kong got no PAP

Dr Who SG

Hong Kong don't have PAP or Lee Kuan Yew

Hong Kong is just as efficient as Singapore....maybe even more efficient....

So could we have done just as well , perhaps better even if PAP was not around? I mean was the PAP indispensible to the existance of Spore?

Ito_^ SG

They got worse, they have the central government.. in short.. you wanna be sued here or be executed there?

laurence82 SG

Look at the current situation in HK now

Their freedom and right to vote is slowly being restricted now.

Now all their Chief Executives will just nominate themselves and simply wait to be selected by Beijing.

I-like-flings(m) SG

but they can potest on street leh Mr. Green

laurence82 SG

But we can 'vote' for our gahmen leh

Same difference.

Being given the right to vote or to protest or to say sumthing is one thing

Seeing them being effectively carried out is another.

vincentchean SG

do not ever think hk is same as sg
hk is ruled by china
and do not think china very good liao
they are still Communist !
in sg at least got small opposition party
in china there ain't !

sgdiehard SG

tho lok lai ji ye liao ye with the 2 cents photo?

ShutterBug SG

I say, God Bless Hong Kong. Good Luck!

robertteh SG

HongKong, Korea, Japan and Taiwan are governed the masses with the politicians serving as servants to the people.

They will outperform countries where the government is dominated by only a few men at the helm.

Besides the danger of abuses of power, nepotism, corruptions (legally taking is worse than occasional covert corruptions as the whole amounts of taking is very huge} the greater number of people and NGOs deliberating and carrying the tasks of running a country will produce more effective and competitive talented management than system deliberating behind closed door by means of self-serving top-down decisions or controls.

HongKong and all the rest of Asia who are governed by the mass participation process will prosper and outperform our system given to too much self-ness and egotism.

A system of government run on mass participations by a whole team and accountable processes will bring about greatest good to the greatest number of people.

Ito_^ SG

Hong Kong.. Japan.. YOU SURE?? Laughing

drawer SG

I think what he meant is the Hong Kong before returning to mainland China.Under British rule,Hong Kong arise as the "four little dragon" in Asia n her economy n freedom is actually outbeat our country.
I think our government is soooo jealous with them that after Hong Kong return to mainland China,our ministers,especially Lou Lee,give alot of crappy ideas to the communist China on his dictatorial ruling experience n bring down Hong Kong economy.

robertteh SG

the people in HongKong (even after China has reclaimed the territory) and Japan have freedoms of speech, participations in affairs of government like criticizing their government policies or leaders without being taken to tasks under all kinds of controls and defamation suits.

The press and media are free to write and publish objectively and fairly to keep people informed of news and facts without being overwhelmed by politically motivated licensing and potential defamation law suits.

Try to stand for election or take part in political process or hold a rally here in our street and see what will happen?

Ito_^ SG

i think its not because they are free, its because the people have guts.

robertteh SG

Those who have guts here were already done in !!! Good people have left by thousands to live and work overseas. We are a vaccuum or desert now and it will take time for new leaders to win them back.

Blueray SG

I have been living in Hong Kong, parts of mainland China for the past few years. Sad to say this but as far as freedom of speech and media liberty are concerned, Hong Kong is a few light years ahead of S'pore.

We may have a democratic system but yet our ruling govt seeks to control every facet of life to the point of rooting out any hint of dissent. All these are done in accordance with the law and of course the govt makes those laws.
Look at these articles:

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/011206au.htm

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/011124sf.htm

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw99/90501sc.htm

Speaking about economic performance, Hong Kong is also outperforming Singapore.

Singaporeans are the most indebted in the world and our wage except for public sector have been falling lower and lower since 1997 Asian Financial crisis. Our investment return is a miserable 1.4 - 4 % compared with 6% for Hongkong.

9 out of 10 businesses are struggling to keep the business surviving even as the GDP was supposed to grow by 6-10 % for 2004.

Unemployment and underemployment rate is still very high.

Hong Kong will always have the support of the mainland China. In fact China has been helping to boost HK economy. Beijing bought some of the excess properties, bad debts and has been sending her ppl to visit and shop in HK.

Lastly even if HongKong collapes, its people can always retreat back to the mainland. Many Hongkongers and Taiwanese are migrating to mainland China in large numbers. Here are the related articles:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A14284-2001Apr27?language=printer

http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/200405/14/0514131.htm

pisces8 SG

Sad