What has the Chinese/Koreans been teaching their students?

SMAPLionHeart SG

I am most surprised, Japan did invade Malaysia,Singapore and Pearl Harbor,
as well , but i can tell that there have been very little "noise and disruption"
compared to protests and demonstrations..

In Singapore,We are taught about what happened, in America, they also knew of the pearl harbor attacks, but why does it seems that whenever any matters arose with rgds to Japan's WWII history ..

The two countries will react the most violently towards it??

LazerLordz SG

Some of their own embellishments I'd bet.Taking the Nanjing massacre and ramping it up a notch.Not beyond the same rats that killed millions of their own people during the Cultural Revolution.

The party bosses are just stirring up the people to exploit their nationalistic sentiments to get them to shut up and let the Commies run the show.

SMAPLionHeart SG

Looks like Chinese/Korean textbooks ain't much better either..
If it continues, it will hurt both of them economically and socially...

Even if the japanese soldiers did raped so many chinese women....
isn't it too late to regret now?

Tuatau SG

Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:
Even if the japanese soldiers did raped so many chinese women....
isn't it too late to regret now?

There is nothing to repent. No Chinese or Korean women was ever raped by Japanese soldiers, not according to the Japanese textbooks.

Tuatau SG

Originally posted by LazerLordz:
The party bosses are just stirring up the people to exploit their nationalistic sentiments to get them to shut up and let the Commies run the show.

The same reasoning couldn't be applied to South Korea, could it?

SilentAssassin SG

The difference is that we are not Japan's neighbours.

Ask yourself why we wrangle with Malaysia over something like water and a bridge.

Count urself "lucky"(?) we weren't a colony of imperialistic japan for 50 years.

SMAPLionHeart SG

Looking at the pictures in ST, i would have assumed the PRC Chinese students read was reading a hatred book rather then history book

Tuatau SG

Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:
Looking at the pictures in ST, i would have assumed the PRC Chinese students read was reading a hatred book rather then history book

It couldn't be helped. According to the rest of the world other than Japan, during World War II the Japanese killed more people in China than in the rest of the world combined.

LazerLordz SG

And America killed more Japanese civilians than the Allied forces combined...so pray tell where is this line of argument heading?

Oh yes, do you remember the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution?Not to mention the Gang of Four?So who killed more Chinese?The Japanese invaders or the masters of China?And funny that these students are not protesting their masters' misdeeds in the past.I don't recall any Chinese leader ever apologising to his own people about how they ripped out the countryside trying to find the bourgeois and the middle class intellectuals.

I pity the PRC people today, same as always throughout the centuries, used as cannon fodder for the whim and fancy of the State.

sgdiehard SG

Your post is the most sensible post on this thread.

Chinese from a communist country, can protest against japan for changing history, against the taiwanese and hong kong bosses for exploiting their workers. Singaporeans were stepped all over by the malaysian, national flags burned by the indonesian and the philippino, go to court over a small island..... but singaporean will not or cannot even make a noise. Is that surprising that we do not understand why others react, even if it might hurt them economically? no, because singaporean will continue to buy cheap cheap things from Johore even if they step on our heads.

America reacted against the attack on Pearl Harbor by dropping two atomic bombs on Japan and its forces are still on Japanese soil, from where they continue to influence asia. do they need to react any further?

What were Singaporean taught in schools about what happened? I bet you more singaporean come to know about attack on Pearl Harbour by watching the movie, not from history books!! and what do we know about the history books in China and Korea to call it hatred books?

Sigh.... with singaporean who think that "Even if the japanese soldiers did raped so many chinese women.... isn't it too late to regret now?" he probably does not care even if he were born of a comfort woman with the Japanese when her husband were slaughtered, afterall, it is too late to do anything? What is history to singaporeans??

It is not what the Chinese/Koreans been teaching their students, it is what singaporean are being taught about history.

LazerLordz SG

The problem here is not about whether have forgotten about history, but whether it's worth debasing ourselves and act like barbarians in front of global media.There are many ways to ensure such things do not happen again.We can educate their youth, we can do outreach proejcts.There are so many more effective and civilised alternatives than beating our chests in front of a camera.

What makes you think we have forgotten?Beware the silent parties.They can do more harm.

Omega-broly SG

japan,chinese.i have doubt they know how to write the word peace

Tuatau SG

Originally posted by LazerLordz:
And America killed more Japanese civilians than the Allied forces combined...so pray tell where is this line of argument heading?

Oh yes, do you remember the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution?Not to mention the Gang of Four?So who killed more Chinese?The Japanese invaders or the masters of China?

Merely stating a fact explaining to SMAPLionHeart a possible reason for the hatred of the Chinese towards their Japanese neighbours.

You stated a fact as well, but the context is different. The Japanese were the aggressors in China, the Americans were defenders. We all knew what the Japanese did to the Americans, but what did the Chinese do to incur the wrath of the Japanese that they had to pay the debt with blood of more than 20 million people, more than 5 times the population of Singapore?

Yes, I remembered the Cultural Revolution and that it was brought up in other threads as well. It was avoided (not just by myself) because it was beside the point. The topic was on why the Chinese hated the Japanese, not on why the Chinese should direct their hatred towards their rulers instead. Not saying you are wrong that they should hate their own rulers instead of the Japanese, because nobody can possibly speak for 1.2 billion people -- but here's a possible reason for you to mull over:

The Japanese were invaders. Invaders are outsiders, and comparing outsiders with fellow countrymen and family members is like comparing water with blood. That is if you still haven't realised that blood is thicker than water.

tavius SG

Agreed.

Don't really understand what's with all the people here defending the Japanese. Probably the same ppl who would kowtow and collaborate with them in WW2.

Many of the people who perpetrated these crimes are still alive and well. Chinese demands are -not- unreasonable. Correcting your history books to teach -history- and apologising is definitely not unreasonable.

oldbreadstinks SG

everyone knows how to write that word, but on whos terms?

vito_corleone SG

i guess when these j lovers go to japan and try to fit in to japanese society they'll know that they're actually regarded as inferior gaijin. Laughing

sgdiehard SG

Cultural Revolution is officially recognised as the national disaster by the communist people congress, Gang of Four were convicted and all died in prison. In many assessments of the chinese leaders by the chinese themselves, even Mao was criticized for his role in the Great Leap forward and the cultural revolution. There have been recognition of the problem among the Chinese, BUT the fact that many Chinese died during the civil wars and internal conflicts does not justify the invasion of the country by foreigner!!!

The PRC people are doing better than ever before and at least they can demonstrate and shout for something they are angry at. Pity them on one hand but ridiculing them for their freedom to act on the other hand sounds rather hypocritical.

China is not what it was in the 70s!!!

dragg SG

please. do you think the mainland chinese think that you are one of them.

sgdiehard SG

x2,

imagine they even suggested that "We can educate their youth, we can do outreach proejcts.There are so many more effective and civilised alternatives.."
Many people here continue to view china with the cold war mentality and if they truely believe that "we" , I suppose it "Singaporean" can educate the japanese youth, I rest my case...... need not say anymore.

dragg SG

i dont not understand why people are all so worked up about what is going on. what japan has done to their textbooks certainly does not concern us. it is their internal affairs.