Avoid posh projects - go for job and wealth creations

iamgoondu SG

Please bus is the cheapest mode of transport? You want people to walk from Jurong to Pasir Ris?

Did you read the story in Shin Min, how the gambler's wife used to walk from her apartment to her mother's place? She was making effort to save so that she could help to clear her husband debt, unfortunately....

Have you read another story about how a old couple spend eighties cent a day for a packet of fried mee hoon, and how they split that packet of bee hoon into six portions? 2 for breakfast, 2 for lunch and 2 for dinner.

Your kids are fortunate, your family are blessed, but do look around those people around you.

If they really spend few millions on those pools, I would probably scream.

Those waters are probably recycled, the bills in maintaining Jurong East and Buona Vista pools would not be much different.

Unlike air-cond and non air-cond bus interchanges, the bills for a air-cond bus interchanges is 3 times as much as a non air-con bus interchanges.

One may choose not to swim in swimming pools if they are unwilling to pay the fees. One couldn't choose to walk if the distance is far apart.

Do they have plans to air-cond those elevated MRT stations?

The existing MRT train fares had already factored in the utilities, maintenances of those air-cond MRT stations, do you think the MRT train fares will still be the same if they were to, OUT OF STUPIDITY, air-cond all thse elevated MRT stations?

Why you bring up the public libraries? Do one need to pay to go into a public libraries?

Do one need to pay to go into Takashimaya?

Please pay a visit to Farrer Court, a newly HDB upgraded precinct in 2000. Some of the upgraded facilities have to make way for a CCL station there.

I am suggesting that we should not give ADDITIONAL burden to our bus companies. Any additional burden would render a fare adjustment. Let's have it when more of us are prepared.

I am talking about alternative solutions in spending the allocated budget in air -cond the bus interchanges.

Everyone likes upgraded stuffs, new schools, new flats, new food centre, new bus interchanges, new shopping malls....

I am not denying having a new and functional bus interchange, I am only unease in having more air-condional bus interchanges.

stupidissmart SG

Please bus is the cheapest mode of transport? You want people to walk from Jurong to Pasir Ris?

No, but I don't want people to swim in their bathtub either Rolling Eyes

Did you read the story in Shin Min, how the gambler's wife used to walk from her apartment to her mother's place? She was making effort to save so that she could help to clear her husband debt, unfortunately....

Have you read another story about how a old couple spend eighties cent a day for a packet of fried mee hoon, and how they split that packet of bee hoon into six portions? 2 for breakfast, 2 for lunch and 2 for dinner.

and ? We spend all our money to help these people ? I mean there is limit on how much we can help. U mean we should all stop spending on building new facilities tohelp out these people ?

If they really spend few millions on those pools, I would probably scream.

I believe the one at jurong is really more than a million. U can scream now.

Those waters are probably recycled, the bills in maintaining Jurong East and Buona Vista pools would not be much different.

Strictly speaking, the water we r drinking is also recycled water. they r called Newater

Unlike air-cond and non air-cond bus interchanges, the bills for a air-cond bus interchanges is 3 times as much as a non air-con bus interchanges.

air con bus is probably 2-3 times more harder to maintain than non-aircon ones as well. So cut down on aircon for buses ? These r welfare to the people. It has been proven popular to the people so much so tat more aircon bus interchange will be built

One may choose not to swim in swimming pools if they are unwilling to pay the fees. One couldn't choose to walk if the distance is far apart.

It is a bit.. selfish... if u can tell swimmers nto to swim, I can tell bus takers not to take a bus as well. One may choose not to swim in swimming pools if they are unwilling to pay the fees. one may choose not to take bus if they r unwilling to pay the fees Rolling Eyes

Do they have plans to air-cond those elevated MRT stations?

No, but I am asking u why shouldn't the airconed MRT stations use a higher temperature or perhaps just use plain fan for the people now to save money ?

The existing MRT train fares had already factored in the utilities, maintenances of those air-cond MRT stations, do you think the MRT train fares will still be the same if they were to, OUT OF STUPIDITY, air-cond all thse elevated MRT stations?

If they have your thinking, they wouldn't have put aircon on places like library or MRT stations

Why you bring up the public libraries? Do one need to pay to go into a public libraries?

Where do u think the aircon fees goes to ? U r paying it through your tax as well. U r not paying any fees to the aircon bus interchange since the fares had not increase yet

Do one need to pay to go into Takashimaya?

but if u shop there, u r helping them to pay for their aircon. In short why don't u propose we remove its aircon so they can sell things more cheaply ?

I am suggesting that we should not give ADDITIONAL burden to our bus companies. Any additional burden would render a fare adjustment. Let's have it when more of us are prepared.

when will u classify as being prepared ? when we already have aircon mrt stations, aircon libraries and aircon food court, we have aircon for almost everything. Now we r not prepared for aircon bus interchange ?

tat is right. Everyone like upgraded facilities. So why stop them from upgrading ?

mannovo SG

okie..cap..u run this ship...but sometimes cannot help it when u encounter an idxot. heee...heeee...

mannovo SG

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Well, I am gonna use slightly politer wordings to u even if u don't. Using all these verbal abuses is stating to make me look bad]

Alredi u llok bad especially where u articulate only the effect but not its causewhy the luxurieswhose moniesis itdoes every gahment dept has to be a profit centrecan more be done for those tat r still in poverty trap rather than waste public monies on frivolous luxurieswhats makes a nation greatits its pplenot plasma TV, more wonders of the world or FTs..tey are needed for specific industry but not a mediocre engineer or techniciann dont put words in my mouth

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Functional ? Wat is your definition of functional ? Old and badly maintained buildings is also functional. Old and dirty looking hawker centre is also functional. Old and small schools r also functional. So how low should one go in order for it to be not "functional" ? When it is on the brink of collapse or permanent electricity cut ?]

Are there any old or badly maintained government building in Singapore you tell meeither it is getting more luxurious or expensiveSee..u always tanget to the extremeeither one point of way, one way street thinking or putting words in pple moutha police station could be functional without the LCD/plasma TVs, HDB Hub cld do away with the Fujitsu 43 Plasma TV, Gym etc..it was supposed to provide affordable and subsidize housing ie. If u r not aware tat a 5 room construction cost is abt S$35 S$50k, and it was charged for S$235k for a 5 room in Sengkang. Again ..u go with yr outto pointcan u c itnou dont ritHDB has so much money to splurge on a S$500 million HDB Hub in Toa Payoh and paid out on the average..S$80k for the staff transfer from HBD to HDB Corp. Where do u think these money comes frmsubsidize housingmy god.tats why the plasma TV, Gym etc.

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Have I ever say tat they were not there for the money ? Have I ever say they didn't do it for the money ? I am saying tat money had really been given to the poor and elderly. But no matter how much money u have set for them, there will always be poor and elderly people around in any society. U look at US, u can still see people who r homeless and sleeps on streets. So just because there will always be poor people the gov have to spend all their money on charity ? U say tat we give mroe to these people, I may agree. But if u say tat just because there r poor people, then we should't have any new upgrade of facilities, then I don't agree ?]

U may agree to give more to charity..halowho r u n me to agree or not to agreeits our gahmentwho decidesu still hve not wake up frm yr slumberboth roberrteh n goondu r not advocating tat gahment bldg cannot be upgraded but all tey are saying is tat these money used for luxury items such as Plasma TV can be better spendn pls againdont put out words into their mouth tat they are against upgrade of facility

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
First, I have to say I am not a civil servant. But I guess no matter how many times I say it, u will keep insisting it to be true since in your small miserable brain u believe tat those who speak out for the gov must be civil servants. Since u insist I am a civil servant, fine, then i will insist u r a porn VCD seller. U think selling porn VCDs around is a big hoo haa and somethign to be proud of meh ? Com'on man, u r insecure and just wanna boast to the peopel aroudn about your VCD sellign escapade. U r really becoming the old person I used to hate who keep droning ontheir past achievement as though it is a big deal.

If u say tat aircon interchange is luxury, then aircon buses is also a luxury. In fact aircon libraries, aircon shopping centre, aircon food court, aircon offices, aircon taxi, aircon gyms r all luxures. Then I guess singaproean can die in the hot sun and lower our productivity, making us worse off then before. ?]

Lucky u r not a civil servantwhy waste our tax monies on u.if u can only see things blindly, then u r blindthereI told u sou r naïve..n cannot differentiate between a private against a public entityCan UOB be DBS Banku nvr think..UOB can hve the best n most expensive Gym in the world..its private business.tey can do anything Wee Cho Yaw likes.because it is private moniesa gahment..is private or public moniesu tell me/..Why this one-eye, myopic view..u r worse than George bush.he has two viewblack or whiteu hve only one viewnothing elsecannot see beyond.totally blind

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Do consmer really have a choice to take aircon buses ? I wish to take express bus 502, does it have an non aircon version ? Com'on, face it. Aircon bus interchange is popular among the toa payoh resident. Tat is why they r planning for more aircon bus interchanges. It is like aircon buses. Initially everyone says it is a waste of money. Now everybody prefer to pay a little extra to sit on aircon buses instead. ?]

Sorri,I have not taken bus for the last maybe 15 yrsbut anything tat SBS claims is fallacy to me as tey hve taken too much monies frm the pple n too little in returnlook at Mobile TV n easylink..n now air-con depotalways passing the buck to consumers..n PTC consist of own management ppleof course vested interest..watto raise faresall raised up their handsn it is donedo we hve a sayu tell me..period

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
I agree tat SBS had made obscene profit all these while. So ? Tis isn't a thread about askign them nto to raise prices isn't it ? It is a thread about whether should the gov spend money on things for the masses like bus interchaneg and new hawker centres and things like a new building for HDB hub. Have I ever say tat they never earn any money ? And wat r u trying to say for your later part ? ?]

Again...a air-con depot for air-con sake argument....nver examine nor critically analyze why...for consumers sake...ok..SBS u r doing good...to pass on tis construction cost and cost of maintenance to consumers...then it is like another Mobil TV and easilink...dont u get it...

Yr stand is tat tey are justified to hve their plasma TV as it is part of upgradingour stand is tat plasma TV r luxuriesmonies can be better spend on charity or othersn dont go tangent again to say tat we r not agreeing for upgradeor we wanted old n unmaintained bldgupgrade by all means..but why the plasma TVs, upgrade the bus depotbut why air-con it, n highlight tat due to increasing operational cost, it is being passed on consumersthe same reason for Mobile TVs, easylinkdo we then hve any say.

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
i have said before, gov should spend more money to boost the economy. They build an aircon depot, they will employ a local company, which will buy materials for the construction. Tis will make the construction company richer and the companies tat had good purchased richer which will more liekly spend the money on other retails, boosting their sales and this money will carry on propaganting further. So gov spending money really do have an effect on the economy. So now I have explained the economic terms for u, u got any roblems with it ? ?]

FDI.u idxiotnot a bus depot.need I spell it out to u.

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
and I have replied saying tat an aircon interchange is not fanciful. It is in fact practical to a certain extend. Frankly I am happy tat gov is spending money on the masses like us. Why r u nt happy with it ? They r lanning to build a new stadium as well, u r gonna complain and says we should give all the money to the aged ? Then singapore will forever be a poor place to live in since all our facilities and amenities r old, ugly and not in tune with the times. u probably never read my posts. ?]

Yavalue-add by providing air-con depotbut who is going to pay 4 u..SBS or consumeryr guess is as good as mineevery ten cents is very important to the poorthot u may rich enough a nation is not build on air-con.if pple r not sturdyquick..fastn not naïve.i am looking at u.if u r fighting for survivaldo u care whether u hve air-con or notso why u again put words into pple mouth.too much monies r spend on infrastructuretell me which gahment dept is depilatedthis is factcld some of the moneis allocated for luxuries being used for charities or the poorsimple rit, but u simply did not get it

Do we want to breed a new generations of Singaporeans wean on luxury which cannot compete in tis globalized world.

stupidissmart SG

sorry for the long wait

U seems to be talking about atacking gov in general now Rolling Eyes Why suddenly talk about foreign talents etc ? Nevertheless here r some of my opinions: does every dept in gov have to be profit centre ? If u ask me, the more dept there is the better. u believe u realise the money have to come from somewhere somehow. About plasma tv, frankly I see a lot of such tvs throughout singapore and the world. Do u think a few plasma tv tat is suppose to last a few years is gonna make an organisation much poorer ? Foreign talents ? U think places like america don't have any ? Internationally almost every developed country is trying to pull foreign talents into their country to boost their economy. Even japan is pondering on opening up its usually close market to pull in foreign talents to maintain their economy.

If u ask me, the police academy is pretty old now. There r several dept in the army tat appears to be built 20-30 years ago as well. I believe they should be new and practical, not luxurious. Do u think tat it is gonna affect the organisation much if they buy a few LCD for the consumer to be clear of where to go ? IS the LCD helpful ? Why is there many other organisation using LCDs as well to serve the consumer better as well ? Personally I find the information of the LCDs helpful. It is a good veneu to spend the money fro the benefit fof the consumer. For your pricing on HDB, mabe it is wise to factor in rent of the land they had used. U can't expect the land to be free isn't it ? As said before, compared with other nations, the housing here is consider cheap. If gov is not involved in building houses, the housing here is gonna be more expensive as well. If u wanna blame, then blame gov for being kaypoh and build public housing

hey com'on man. We r discussing whetehr does the gov do right in the certain actions they do or not. We r not talking about we r gonna implement tis or tat. If like tat then everybody have to keep quiet about politics since most of us aren't gov.

if u r a gonna invest or put money into a bank, will u choose UOB with its posh setings and LCD screen or DBS, being restricted to spend any money, have to use coffee shop TV or use cards to inform consumer about info and have the most cheapest furniture and renovation ? Com'on, DBS may have gov links but it doesn't means it doesn't have to compete.

mobile tv is suppose to lower the cost for the consumer since it was supposed to be paid by the advertisements in it. air con depot is also meant for ther benefits of the people. As said before, it has proven to be so popular tat they r intending to build more of these. U want to go aainst public feelings and comfortness and tear down the air con depot to make it non-aircon ?

if u talk about gold plated tap or gold platwed toilet bowl, I will agree with u. These r example of plain expensive apparatus with no practical usage. But if u r talking about aircon for the consumer and LCD to display valuable info to the consumer, then i will disagree with u. U think they r redundant, I think they r practical. Even if u talk about easilink, i think it is a good system as well as it indeed give consumer more ease in travelling. But I guess someone who had never taken any public transport and who never use the aircon bus depot is probably not really qualified to say they should be removed when the people using them say they r indeed improvement to the past system

mannovo SG

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
[b]sorry for the long wait

[quote]Originally posted by stupidissmart:
U seems to be talking about atacking gov in general now Why suddenly talk about foreign talents etc ? Nevertheless here r some of my opinions: does every dept in gov have to be profit centre ? If u ask me, the more dept there is the better. u believe u realise the money have to come from somewhere somehow. About plasma tv, frankly I see a lot of such tvs throughout singapore and the world. Do u think a few plasma tv tat is suppose to last a few years is gonna make an organisation much poorer ? Foreign talents ? U think places like america don't have any ? Internationally almost every developed country is trying to pull foreign talents into their country to boost their economy. Even japan is pondering on opening up its usually close market to pull in foreign talents to maintain their economy. ]

Not attacking.gahment..but tey hve given temselves too much at the expense of Singaporeansa pat on their own back just by increasing pricesits a no brainerwhy always at the expenses of consumersgahment profit centre is to justify their own out of the world salary, n I am not saying tat we pay tem peanuts : dont put words into my mouthFTsr these really FTs or third-class talentsshitwe pay DBS John Olds 5million golden handshake, the same goes to Phippe something..n he brings in the whole ging gang of his own pple with sky-high salary..cost pass to consumersremember quite a few years ago, there were a lot of complaint against DBS.3 MDs in 3 countries HK, Taiwan, China, all these r Singaporean bankers with top-notch experience and knowledge all resigned under his watchwat do u say abt tat.R singaporeans being displaced by these FTs..
Wat abt SES, Thomas Cloat.21 millionwat abt Barry White..27 million in Chartered Semi n his whole gang of ex-motorola staff.u r still in yr slumber.R these FTs better..cld tey led Singapore companies to better heights.u tell me

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
If u ask me, the police academy is pretty old now. There r several dept in the army tat appears to be built 20-30 years ago as well. I believe they should be new and practical, not luxurious. Do u think tat it is gonna affect the organisation much if they buy a few LCD for the consumer to be clear of where to go ? IS the LCD helpful ? Why is there many other organisation using LCDs as well to serve the consumer better as well ? Personally I find the information of the LCDs helpful. It is a good veneu to spend the money fro the benefit fof the consumer. For your pricing on HDB, mabe it is wise to factor in rent of the land they had used. U can't expect the land to be free isn't it ? As said before, compared with other nations, the housing here is consider cheap. If gov is not involved in building houses, the housing here is gonna be more expensive as well. If u wanna blame, then blame gov for being kaypoh and build public housing ]

Commo.open yr eyes.does it takes a rocket scientist to increase price now n thena coffee shop ah boy cld do itthen 4 goodness sakebe prudentthese r taxpayers moniesa LCD, wats nextState of the art Gym, OSIM massage chairOB sound systemwhere do the monies come frmtaxpayersfrm fees increase, tax wadsoever.
HDB..ok double the landcostwad do u get40k for land cost50k for 5 room flat..u still get 90k wadwhere do you get 235khellotextbook maths again, like u say u need to check yr economic textbook huhdont forget it is call subsidize housing...who inflated the cost of housingby upgrade plansn now.how many pple sufferdid u not read abt ex-scholar, Ngiam How dong mentioned tat our gahment were starry-eye on the housing policies in 1996 tat facilitates HKgers taking advantages of our housing policy, taking PR status n then resell their HDB flatsthese HKgers r sitting pretty rich in HKlaughing at our simpleton thinkingdoes tat include umr stupid

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
hey com'on man. We r discussing whetehr does the gov do right in the certain actions they do or not. We r not talking about we r gonna implement tis or tat. If like tat then everybody have to keep quiet about politics since most of us aren't gov. ]

tis i agree...no fight with u on tis..

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
if u r a gonna invest or put money into a bank, will u choose UOB with its posh setings and LCD screen or DBS, being restricted to spend any money, have to use coffee shop TV or use cards to inform consumer about info and have the most cheapest furniture and renovation ? Com'on, DBS may have gov links but it doesn't means it doesn't have to compete. ]

Ya, compete by all means.who r SBS competing againstwho r MRT competing againsttey hve all the cards in their handsu r lambs waiting to be slaughteredI told u..even the PTC consist of their own pple.wad is consumer rits, do u hve a say in price increaseu tell mewhen there r not even representation in PTC.

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
mobile tv is suppose to lower the cost for the consumer since it was supposed to be paid by the advertisements in it. air con depot is also meant for ther benefits of the people. As said before, it has proven to be so popular tat they r intending to build more of these. U want to go aainst public feelings and comfortness and tear down the air con depot to make it non-aircon ? ]

Wad does suppose to meanto uwas it loweredr increasing..u tell mereported SBS make small loses in 2001, then PTC approved price increasewowall of a suddenin 2002, obscene profits to the tune of millions of dollarswas any of these return to consumersya..by all meansupgradeeasylinkbut look at the no. of screw-upor its a honest mistake againcommohow many honest mistake can we tolerate
Question is abt choicedo consumers have a choice.can something be done as basic as basic transport isbe prudent to the poorensure tad these poor r not burderned with unnecessary increase in cost of living.or u expect poor pple to walk frm Jurong to Toa Payoh (now, I am putting words into yr mouth)its basic transportation

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
if u talk about gold plated tap or gold platwed toilet bowl, I will agree with u. These r example of plain expensive apparatus with no practical usage. But if u r talking about aircon for the consumer and LCD to display valuable info to the consumer, then i will disagree with u. U think they r redundant, I think they r practical. Even if u talk about easilink, i think it is a good system as well as it indeed give consumer more ease in travelling. But I guess someone who had never taken any public transport and who never use the aircon bus depot is probably not really qualified to say they should be removed when the people using them say they r indeed improvement to the past system ]

Who is toking abt any gold stuffwe r toking abt prudenceair-con all bus depot.u mean our newer generations will be forever in Spore.plswad r we going to teach temeverything is new, simple, clinical, cleanwe r breeding a air-con nations of simpletondo u want to be like unvr seen the world.unable to distinguish n survive in todays complicated worldtey need to see the real worldhow these Indonesians children sufferedhow these Chinese kids hands and feet were broken so tad tey r forced to beg for a living to substain these syndicates..u airhead

I may not be qualified as i dont take bus for so long..but i hve a heart to be concerned abt Singapore and Singaporeans in general...ultimately, we hve to ask ourselves whether we r producing a new gen. Of Singaporeans of weaklings or a rugged, streetsmart Singaporeanswhy is it so important...it will be another long thread to start in sgforums.

Even some of our senior MPs like Tan CB, Tan SK r disgusted at these 8 or 9 wonders of the world...extravagance...

stupidissmart SG

Not attacking.gahment..but tey hve given temselves too much at the expense of Singaporeansa pat on their own back just by increasing pricesits a no brainerwhy always at the expenses of consumersgahment profit centre is to justify their own out of the world salary, n I am not saying tat we pay tem peanuts : dont put words into my mouthFTsr these really FTs or third-class talents%&$%we pay DBS John Olds 5million golden handshake, the same goes to Phippe something..n he brings in the whole ging gang of his own pple with sky-high salary..cost pass to consumersremember quite a few years ago, there were a lot of complaint against DBS.3 MDs in 3 countries HK, Taiwan, China, all these r Singaporean bankers with top-notch experience and knowledge all resigned under his watchwat do u say abt tat.R singaporeans being displaced by these FTs..
Wat abt SES, Thomas Cloat.21 millionwat abt Barry White..27 million in Chartered Semi n his whole gang of ex-motorola staff.u r still in yr slumber.R these FTs better..cld tey led Singapore companies to better heights.u tell me

as said before, if u want to discuss about FT, u r free to do so but please discuss tis in other threads so tat we will nto lose focus on it. If u talk about the John Old something, I agree tat it is a mistake to employ him over. Howeer we shouldn't, because of a single bamboo and overturn the whole ship. When i talk about FT, i meant the guys u see in university or those u see working as engineers etc n the companies. The normal kind of FT, not the one tat is the head of tis and tat etc. So do u think gov should stop them from coming in to help the economy or all the jobs be done by local, makign the economy worse.

as said before, can u suggest a better replacement for the LCD screen ? In the past LCD is considered a luxury, but now almost every information we see in gov buildings, schools or private sector made use of LCD screen. It is a norm now.

For land cost, how much do u think renting a piece of land for 100 years will cost ? As said before, the only mistake they had made is to interfere with the housing instead of letting private developers do all the housings. If we do tat, we r gonna have much more expensive hosing where the developers will sell housing according to demand and supply. Furthermore, if the housing price don't increase, we r gonna expect some tax from somewhere to increase
Rolling Eyes

Talking about HK people getting rich, it seems tat their property has faced several crisis in the last few years. R they sitting in their house becoming pretty rich... hmmm....

True. But then they r improving their services by putting TV on buses and having easilink. They even put LCD in MRT station to tell people of the time MRT arrives as well as time the bus arrives. So ? U don't want them to put the LCDs ? U don't want aircon depot ?

Generally, the TV was put there to earn advertisement money. Whether will tis increase in profit goes down to us, I do nto know. ut at least it explained to u tat having TV there is gonna reduce the price, not increase it. Easilink have screwups, btu geenrally it is an improvement to the old system. In fact when easilik was started they earn more money because no one can cheat on the farecards again. So these upgrades r beneficial for both parties involved. They did not burden the consumers

lets put it simply, I have no problems with using aircon. I have no rpoblems living ina clean environemtn either. In fact i kinda of like it. U don't like aircons ? U wanna live in a dirty environemnt ? So wat about the chinese kids with broken legs and hands ? wat is your point in bringing out tis ? U wanna throw yoru kids into begging to learn the real world ?

I may not be qualified as i dont take bus for so long..but i hve a heart to be concerned abt Singapore and Singaporeans in general...ultimately, we hve to ask ourselves whether we r producing a new gen. Of Singaporeans of weaklings or a rugged, streetsmart Singaporeanswhy is it so important...it will be another long thread to start in sgforums.

Why has tis thread become educating the young ? U really need to put tis in a different thread

iamgoondu SG

Any who chair in PTC take public transport?

robertteh SG

The process called justification sysdrome a part of governance goes like this:

(1) problems or complaints like high costs or excessive extravagant spending on 7 woners or some other policy excess

(2) Denial by the ministers and some senior officers in public

(3) Press or Media blitz giving favorable reports showing other countries are worse off with statistics to complete the whole picture called disinformation

(4) Attributing failures to people or some other causes or mistakes

(5) Repetitions of other causes or problems through the grass roots or underlings to make people accept faifures or mistakes due to other causes.

This process or justification sydrome is happening in public forums very frequently. It is beyond reason, logic or arguments. The ones who repeat something long enough will make everything look like facts.

Repetition is truth in the making. Laughing

mannovo SG

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
as said before, if u want to discuss about FT, u r free to do so but please discuss tis in other threads so tat we will nto lose focus on it. If u talk about the John Old something, I agree tat it is a mistake to employ him over. Howeer we shouldn't, because of a single bamboo and overturn the whole ship. When i talk about FT, i meant the guys u see in university or those u see working as engineers etc n the companies. The normal kind of FT, not the one tat is the head of tis and tat etc. So do u think gov should stop them from coming in to help the economy or all the jobs be done by local, makign the economy worse.

Now tat u hve realize the follies of yr doggy wayI forgive un treat u humanlytis topic is abt extravagance rit, wad is a air-con bus depot compared to the $$$ we put on the table for these so called FTspeanutswe could air-con all the bus depot in Singapore, dont u agreethen it is for Singaporeanswad hve these FTs achievedit will be splashed all over the ST, propagating abt the achievements of the top-notch FTs.it was top talent rit, why were these Phillpes follower not around anymoreand Jackson did a fabulous job with his team of Singaporeans.if we do not help our own pple, giving tem opportunities to be trained up, who will help u. U r detached frm the reality, our IT engineers for eg. salary r depressed by these Indian engineers..n most of these, I say, most of these huhdont put words in my mouthcannot deliver.the best of these Indian IT engineers would not be in Singapore, its the 3-rated tat hve nowhere to go..tat wants to come to Singapore.the same goes for these Mainland Chinese engineers..tey r in the same category as these Indians.

If our own software engineers r not given the chance to program, to do coding, very quickly, tey will lose their skillsets..wad will happen to tem..taxidrivers..hawkers..etc..

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
as said before, can u suggest a better replacement for the LCD screen ? In the past LCD is considered a luxury, but now almost every information we see in gov buildings, schools or private sector made use of LCD screen. It is a norm now.

For land cost, how much do u think renting a piece of land for 100 years will cost ? As said before, the only mistake they had made is to interfere with the housing instead of letting private developers do all the housings. If we do tat, we r gonna have much more expensive hosing where the developers will sell housing according to demand and supply. Furthermore, if the housing price don't increase, we r gonna expect some tax from somewhere to increase
Talking about HK people getting rich, it seems tat their property has faced several crisis in the last few years. R they sitting in their house becoming pretty rich... hmmm.... [quote]

Hey, these Plasma n LCD TVs was purchased a few yrs agoI think 3 5 yrs backwas Singapore economy good at tat point in timeu shld know
Those Fujitsu 42 or 43 Plasma in HDB Toa Payoh was purchased I think, 4 -5 yrs backwad was the price then$15 18K per Plasma Ok..todays price ranges frm 7k 9k.
R u aware tat some school require their students to use tablet pcshow much is tablet pc cost3 4khow can the average family afford tablet PCs

Ya, then dont call it subsidize housing.HDB public housing policy was not wrong in the beginningits was a lofty aspiration under LKY tat Singaporeans hve a decent roof over their head.i hve tremendous respect 4 LKY.even though some of his policy..like graduate mum policyhve a lump in my throat.LKY heart is for Singaporealong the wayit was treated as a cash cow..to milk Singaporeansanyway its another topicsorri I drifted
Heydid u remembersome private condoprices was lower than some EC condojust like gahment hospital was more expensive than private hospital..until Khaw Boon Wah became Health Minister n he did a good job exposing the price discrepancy[/color]

[quote]Originally posted by stupidissmart:
True. But then they r improving their services by putting TV on buses and having easilink. They even put LCD in MRT station to tell people of the time MRT arrives as well as time the bus arrives. So ? U don't want them to put the LCDs ? U don't want aircon depot ? [quote]

Tats their job manu cuckootey r paid to improvebut to always pass on cost to consumersisnt it tad Singaporeans become suckersI understand tat for MRt card, there is a depositn there is a timelimitI think 2 years ago, it was reported tat these unclaimed deposits, due to the timelimit, was in millions of $$$...hey, these monies belong to Singaporeans n not MRTr tey accountableor it just add up to the profits of MRTcommoHK MTR r even cheaper than Singaporethe same goes for Shanghai MRTwhytell me whybecause it is public transport..n these opearators were smart to tap into rentals to help subsidise the fares to remain affordabledo tey n can tey put their own MRT, SBS pple into their PTC..no possible..as there r regulationsBoth HK, Shanghai have LCDs, how come tey can maintain their affordable rates..u tell meor yr understudy trips did not include HK n Shanghai..[/color]

[quote]Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Generally, the TV was put there to earn advertisement money. Whether will tis increase in profit goes down to us, I do nto know. ut at least it explained to u tat having TV there is gonna reduce the price, not increase it. Easilink have screwups, btu geenrally it is an improvement to the old system. In fact when easilik was started they earn more money because no one can cheat on the farecards again. So these upgrades r beneficial for both parties involved. They did not burden the consumers [quote]

Commotis is election yrwill there be a price increase in bus farewannabet
N u believe every single word tad comes out frm SBS, MRT.u r another suckerso do u agree tad I said tat u r naïvesimplisticit is true rit
WahlauSingaporeans cheating bus fareswad abt tem cheating Singaporeans of millions of $$$..do we hve a recourseall their own pple
Remember..christopher something, a ST reporter highlighted tad a CEO,ex-MP of one taxi companyI forget the name..earns abt $1.4 millionn then he was removedgood 4 himn I do applaud the gahment for doing tiscommoour fellow Singaporeanstexidrivers pays abt $250 in cost to run a taxi, including diesel per day.rain or shinetey need to make $250 to break eventhen tey can make a livingso at the end of the day.,dont be naïvehve a heart for Singapore n Singaporeans[/color]

[quote]Originally posted by stupidissmart:
lets put it simply, I have no problems with using aircon. I have no rpoblems living ina clean environemtn either. In fact i kinda of like it. U don't like aircons ? U wanna live in a dirty environemnt ? So wat about the chinese kids with broken legs and hands ? wat is your point in bringing out tis ? U wanna throw yoru kids into begging to learn the real world ?

Of courseu dumb asseveryone wants to enjoy wad..who wants to work damn hard to earn his monies..we e not living in a real world in Singaporefor all yr understudy trips r holiday trips.u do not c the underbelly of the complexity of todays multipolar world.does every comfort, every luxury do u good eternallyor a balance view of the world, being able to thrive n survive is dire circumstances..or our newer generations expect to be spoonfed, nvr exposed to the world..u cif u do not hve a heart for Singaporeans, then of course, u wish every Singaporeans to be like u, a simpleton..who nvr sees the real worldlet me give u an analogythere is a frog in the well..he gets warm n cosyas it was cooked graduallydegree by degree.he does not feel ituntil he was cooked.Singaporeans r just like tattoo comfortabletoo concerned with gahment propaganda..tat we r number 1 in tis or tatcommo.other countries r pasting us by.when was the last time tad any Chinese gahment provincial leaders were here in Singapore to learn frm Singaporetey hve all gone to Europe and US..so shld we wake up frm our slumber or we live in a air-con worldnot knowing wadever is happening around the worldif u still cannot get itthen nothing will..period

[quote]Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Why has tis thread become educating the young ? U really need to put tis in a different thread

The environment we r brought up with shapes our thinking, behaviour...so living in a air-con world only makes u an air-head...full of nothing...understand...

stupidissmart SG

I said before, tis is not a thread about foreign talents. If u attack about indian IT engineers or china ones, frankly they r performing well in their fields. They r not 3rd rated engineers tat have nowhere to go, they r some of the top scholars in their country, tat is why they r chosen to come here. U probably don;t knwo much about them and quick to say tat they r lousy. If they r tat bad, then they won't even be employed be private companies even if they come here. I don't think u had made a frank assessment of their capabilities.

If our own software engineers r not given the chance to program, to do coding, very quickly, tey will lose their skillsets..wad will happen to tem..taxidrivers..hawkers..etc..

when u make programming, u r facing competition from the whole world. If we follow anti-competition system, the whole company will be at a disadvantage and may fold. In tat case singaporean become taxidrivers and hawkers, but the one buying from them become lesser

Hey, these Plasma n LCD TVs was purchased a few yrs agoI think 3 5 yrs backwas Singapore economy good at tat point in timeu shld know
Those Fujitsu 42 or 43 Plasma in HDB Toa Payoh was purchased I think, 4 -5 yrs backwad was the price then$15 18K per Plasma Ok..todays price ranges frm 7k 9k.
R u aware tat some school require their students to use tablet pcshow much is tablet pc cost3 4khow can the average family afford tablet PCs

First, i don't think they r bought 3-5 years ago. They r probably bought 1-2 years ago. It is not 15-20 K. u can buy the whole thetre system with 15-20k. Tablet Pc ? Wat has tat got to do with LCD ?

Ya, then dont call it subsidize housing.HDB public housing policy was not wrong in the beginningits was a lofty aspiration under LKY tat Singaporeans hve a decent roof over their head.i hve tremendous respect 4 LKY.even though some of his policy..like graduate mum policyhve a lump in my throat.LKY heart is for Singaporealong the wayit was treated as a cash cow..to milk Singaporeansanyway its another topicsorri I drifted
Heydid u remembersome private condoprices was lower than some EC condojust like gahment hospital was more expensive than private hospital..until Khaw Boon Wah became Health Minister n he did a good job exposing the price discrepancy

Generally, Gov hospital is still cheaper than private ones for the same treatment. Generally, public housing of the same room size on the same location is cheaper compared to private housing. In a way the price is reduced. If u compared the housing os singapore to other countries, it is really cheaper despite our small land size

Tats their job manu cuckootey r paid to improvebut to always pass on cost to consumersisnt it tad Singaporeans become suckersI understand tat for MRt card, there is a depositn there is a timelimitI think 2 years ago, it was reported tat these unclaimed deposits, due to the timelimit, was in millions of $$$...hey, these monies belong to Singaporeans n not MRTr tey accountableor it just add up to the profits of MRTcommoHK MTR r even cheaper than Singaporethe same goes for Shanghai MRTwhytell me whybecause it is public transport..n these opearators were smart to tap into rentals to help subsidise the fares to remain affordabledo tey n can tey put their own MRT, SBS pple into their PTC..no possible..as there r regulationsBoth HK, Shanghai have LCDs, how come tey can maintain their affordable rates..u tell meor yr understudy trips did not include HK n Shanghai

Most technological improving need to spend money. U don't expect the people who develop new technologies to eat grass. If improvements r needed, than we expect to pay a price for it. If u feel tat it is their job to improve, then we have to pay for these improvements. U think ezlink cards drop from the sky ? If u ask me, r HK public transport cheaper than singapore ? I have checked the pricing for both and find tat for the same kind fo transport, it is about the same. For HK, the price is HK$ 4 to 12.50 ($0.80 to 2.50 singapore). For aircon buses, it is approximately HK$12, which is $2.40. If u ask me, they r about the same.

stupidissmart SG

Commotis is election yrwill there be a price increase in bus farewannabet
N u believe every single word tad comes out frm SBS, MRT.u r another suckerso do u agree tad I said tat u r naïvesimplisticit is true rit
WahlauSingaporeans cheating bus fareswad abt tem cheating Singaporeans of millions of $$$..do we hve a recourseall their own pple
Remember..christopher something, a ST reporter highlighted tad a CEO,ex-MP of one taxi companyI forget the name..earns abt $1.4 millionn then he was removedgood 4 himn I do applaud the gahment for doing tiscommoour fellow Singaporeanstexidrivers pays abt $250 in cost to run a taxi, including diesel per day.rain or shinetey need to make $250 to break eventhen tey can make a livingso at the end of the day.,dont be naïvehve a heart for Singapore n Singaporeans[/

I thought we r talking about whether mobile TV or air con depot should be done or not. If they don't put these up, u think our fares will remain the same ? U think they will stop earning any money ? U have gone out of point and attack on other things and not on whether should mobile TV or aircon depot. U talk about earning money of thr CEO of taxidrivers, btu then again the people in management is always earning much mroe money than the people at the bottom. U can compare the salary of bill gate and one of its production worker and u will find tat there is a great difference as well. Tat is business isn't it ? U don't expect the CEO of a company tat employ a few hundred people to earn the income of a taxidriver.

Of courseu dumb asseveryone wants to enjoy wad..who wants to work damn hard to earn his monies..we e not living in a real world in Singaporefor all yr understudy trips r holiday trips.u do not c the underbelly of the complexity of todays multipolar world.does every comfort, every luxury do u good eternallyor a balance view of the world, being able to thrive n survive is dire circumstances..or our newer generations expect to be spoonfed, nvr exposed to the world..u cif u do not hve a heart for Singaporeans, then of course, u wish every Singaporeans to be like u, a simpleton..who nvr sees the real worldlet me give u an analogythere is a frog in the well..he gets warm n cosyas it was cooked graduallydegree by degree.he does not feel ituntil he was cooked.Singaporeans r just like tattoo comfortabletoo concerned with gahment propaganda..tat we r number 1 in tis or tatcommo.other countries r pasting us by.when was the last time tad any Chinese gahment provincial leaders were here in Singapore to learn frm Singaporetey hve all gone to Europe and US..so shld we wake up frm our slumber or we live in a air-con worldnot knowing wadever is happening around the worldif u still cannot get itthen nothing will..period

I think u r getting out of point. u think having no aircon in depot will make everyone suffer so badly tat they will see the real world ? Waaa... no aircon depot, everyone will know how life is at third world country, they will know the suffering of peopel without hands and leg etc ? Wat r u talking about ?!?! U want to make life difficult just to see everyone suffer and know wat is suffering? Wat has an aircon depot got to do with tis ?!?! U think we make any imporvement and can compete with china just because we scrapped a aircon depot ? We lose our competitiveness because we have an aircon depot ? Wat r u talking about ?!?! U r exaggerating like no tomorrow ! U miught as well say just because we put an aircon depot in toa payoh, men will evolved to a creature tat can't stand the heat, get a twisted mind and the whole galaxy perish.

The environment we r brought up with shapes our thinking, behaviour...so living in a air-con world only makes u an air-head...full of nothing...understand...

yah right.. anyway u just show yourself to be nothing but a pig head tat think u r the greatest and being vulgar, with nothing for content except verbal abuses. u just show yourself not even capable of talking without any insults. If I am an air head because of air con, u r a pig head because u probably grew up in a pig farm. "Kian" is good enough. Don't be "Gay kian"

mannovo SG

Originally posted by stupidissmart:

I thought we r talking about whether mobile TV or air con depot should be done or not. If they don't put these up, u think our fares will remain the same ? U think they will stop earning any money ? U have gone out of point and attack on other things and not on whether should mobile TV or aircon depot. U talk about earning money of thr CEO of taxidrivers, btu then again the people in management is always earning much mroe money than the people at the bottom. U can compare the salary of bill gate and one of its production worker and u will find tat there is a great difference as well. Tat is business isn't it ? U don't expect the CEO of a company tat employ a few hundred people to earn the income of a taxidriver.

Like I say..PTC consist of their own pplewhere does consumer interest come to play..do tey really think for the man-in-the-street..Ya by all means earn money..tats is wat a service provider shld do, but to pass on cost everytime..tis is too much..it is a public and basic transportationnot a rental caru idiotWhy..outto point againwhy shld we have a air-con bus depot when knowingly, these associated cost for TVmobile, easylink, air-con are going to be pass onto consumer wholesale. Why the CEO example...if he is not drawing too high a salary...wad makes the gahment removes him, then give him some face, to be an advisor..The CEO for Taxi company is a political pok-barrel appointment.until he was removed..good for him and Singaporewe do not need such selfish CEO. Tad is why i say u cannot see things...nvr analysis wad n why so policy r in place....guess u nvr learn...

FT is also another eg....So we shld pay all FTs top notch salary even if tey r mediocre talentis tat wat u r sayingthese r taxpayers moniesthese salaries r out of the worldcan u justified tat..does DBS, Chartered Semi, NOL does well under their tenureu tell me.

Of course, we need to pay pple well but not in these kind of termslike I sayu always tangent off n puts words into pple mouthtats is the reason why many forumers takes u onthings u r naïve abt, does not hve indepth knowledge, hve no experience wadsover, so u claimed abt yr understudy trips r all a baloneyu just claimed it is outto pointnvr understanding why decision r makea casino is a casino, a air-con bus depot is a air-con bus depotwhere u yr brain.

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
I think u r getting out of point. u think having no aircon in depot will make everyone suffer so badly tat they will see the real world ? Waaa... no aircon depot, everyone will know how life is at third world country, they will know the suffering of peopel without hands and leg etc ? Wat r u talking about ?!?! U want to make life difficult just to see everyone suffer and know wat is suffering? Wat has an aircon depot got to do with tis ?!?! U think we make any imporvement and can compete with china just because we scrapped a aircon depot ? We lose our competitiveness because we have an aircon depot ? Wat r u talking about ?!?! U r exaggerating like no tomorrow ! U miught as well say just because we put an aircon depot in toa payoh, men will evolved to a creature tat can't stand the heat, get a twisted mind and the whole galaxy perish.

If u r ignorant of the world..its sufferingthen u know the blessing we hve in Singaporedo u take it for granted or tat we need to teach our new generations how difficult it is for Singapore to be wad it is todayu nvr travel so u dont know, except 4 yr holidayswad hve u seenwad do u knowwad hve u experiencedamn itfucxing idiot.Wad is making life difficult.just taking non air-con bus.pple in Indonesia, India does not hve shoes, enough food on the tablethe more I think of itu r just a young, ignorant fool..U need to fight to hve a place amongst the top tier nation.Wad is going to happen to Singaporeif we hve fools like u to run Singapore, we r dead meat..where is the fire in the belly, the stomach to fightin a air-con bus depot.always to confortable..like the frog being cookedsorry, man.u r just like the pathetic frog

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
yah right.. anyway u just show yourself to be nothing but a pig head tat think u r the greatest and being vulgar, with nothing for content except verbal abuses. u just show yourself not even capable of talking without any insults. If I am an air head because of air con, u r a pig head because u probably grew up in a pig farm. "Kian" is good enough. Don't be "Gay kian"

Ya.if u tok to reasonable ppleI be politebut if u encountered an idiotic dog, wad do u dou kick the shit outto himlucky there r pple like snow leopard who still tries to knock some senses into u, if there is any left.it is good tat more forumers r getting to see yr one-sided view, as usual.

Wad a joke...who can be more vulgar than u...u r the one tad challenge me to see who is better at vulgurity rit, in the casino forum...guess wad...u win cause i cannot degnerate myself into a dog....keep posting..man

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Most technological improving need to spend money. U don't expect the people who develop new technologies to eat grass. If improvements r needed, than we expect to pay a price for it. If u feel tat it is their job to improve, then we have to pay for these improvements. U think ezlink cards drop from the sky ? If u ask me, r HK public transport cheaper than singapore ? I have checked the pricing for both and find tat for the same kind fo transport, it is about the same. For HK, the price is HK$ 4 to 12.50 ($0.80 to 2.50 singapore). For aircon buses, it is approximately HK$12, which is $2.40. If u ask me, they r about the same.

Of course, technology involves cost...all idiots knows it...but all wad expense...there was this gahment dept tat spend 5 million on a website...shit...wasted taxpayers monies....IRAS online tax submission...fuxk..u cannot even get in...look at the no. of post in ST forum.

U r wrong again...HK is cheaper..if u calculate properly...

Firstly, salaries r higher so its a different ..

Secondly if u caculate short trips..like 5 station frm Shueng Wan to Causeway Bay..its abt the same HK4.60 (S$0.90) against Singapore 5 station...at S$0.80.

But further like 14 stations...from Shueng Wan to Chai Wan, its HK6.80 (S$1.44) against Singapore 14 stations at S$1.59

Dont start toking abt buses..there r many small buses n tey r cheap...

Dont talk abt Shanghai...its even much cheaper....

Tads why i say tat u hve nvr been anywhere...hve u stay out of Singapore b4...where...wad do u know...n experienced

mannovo SG

Originally posted by stupidissmart:

I said before, tis is not a thread about foreign talents. If u attack about indian IT engineers or china ones, frankly they r performing well in their fields. They r not 3rd rated engineers tat have nowhere to go, they r some of the top scholars in their country, tat is why they r chosen to come here. U probably don;t knwo much about them and quick to say tat they r lousy. If they r tat bad, then they won't even be employed be private companies even if they come here. I don't think u had made a frank assessment of their capabilities.

Do u worked for the gahmenthow do u know whether these FTs r really FTs or mediocre talentsYes..i hve real life experience with themthere are only a few real talents..most of them will take Singapore as a busstopon the way to USA and Europe or go back to China where there are ample opportunitiesWhen u advertise for engineers, there are hundreds of applicants and more than half are foreigners..where do they come frm..Vietnam, Cambodia, India, Phillipines, China etcI hve conducted interviews and it makes me sick tat these socalled FTs are considered FTs at alln I am objectivesome of these are even sponsored by our gahment for their MBAs, paid S$2000 every monthat taxpayers expensesr these real talentsI really doubt sowe hve opened too much a BIG door for these mediocre talents to come to Singapore
Hve u then worked with these socalled FTsthis is my question to uI hve..so there goes my verdict

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
when u make programming, u r facing competition from the whole world. If we follow anti-competition system, the whole company will be at a disadvantage and may fold. In tat case singaporean become taxidrivers and hawkers, but the one buying from them become lesser

Do not comment on things tat u r ill-informed or just tok for the sake of tokingour Singaporean programmers does have the talent except that they are not employed because the employment cost is higher..ie S$1,500 S$2000 for new graduateu can employed a Indian programmer for S$800 or less. Do our Singapore programmers stand a chanceeven if they are damn goodwithout practice..they lose their skillset.pls forget itdont tok through yr assits sickeningwhere u just shoot where u hve totally lack of understanding nor knowledge abt.

Originally posted by stupidissmart:

First, i don't think they r bought 3-5 years ago. They r probably bought 1-2 years ago. It is not 15-20 K. u can buy the whole thetre system with 15-20k. Tablet Pc ? Wat has tat got to do with LCD ?

Wad we r toking abt is extravagancen it is bought more than 3 years agoI am surebecause in 2002, I went pass HDB hub.wadever it is, why r u in denialif there are too much wastejust cut the wastewhy defend itgahment has also setup a cut waste panel n they acknowledge it that there are areas in which they cld have make better use of resources and moneyn they ask public for suggestions to cut waste.r u ill-informed again or simply do not know

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Generally, Gov hospital is still cheaper than private ones for the same treatment. Generally, public housing of the same room size on the same location is cheaper compared to private housing. In a way the price is reduced. If u compared the housing os singapore to other countries, it is really cheaper despite our small land size

Ya..dathen we does our Minister of Health, KBW publicise the hospital rates in 2003public hospital operations cost more than private..why does KBW need to fix tis discrepancy..n publicise in the ST...u tell me...

why do u always twist the facts to yr argumenttis is splash all across the ST.or u r pleading ignorance again.commo

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