china attitude to japan

last SG · 2005-04-11T14:06:17+00:00

i beg to differ. as china grow they will feel a sense of superiority and invincibility. she will look down on everyone, not just singaporeans. china's econom...

schrecklichkeit SG

see what i mean? they are just self-righteous because something has been done wrong to THEM.

just making mountains out of molehills when they should just calm down and observe

sgdiehard SG

Can't believe such un-call-for statement with unjustified preassumption would come from you. Crying or Very sad

vito_corleone SG

FYI not all japanese are rich. there are millions of poor japanese living in more rural, less developed areas. you cant expect a big country to be fully developed everywhere..even for small countries like singapore we arent very developed and the income gap between the common folk and rich is quite significant. it is natural for richer countries to look down on lesser nations...look at japan...she despises dark skinned people and look upon them as lesser beings and even mainland chinese...the people in beijing and shanghai look down on the peasants of rural china...ameica looks down at the rest of the world, as if we're all kids who need uncle sam's guidience and discipline...its inevitable.

SMAPLionHeart SG

Who asked Japan to wake the sleeping dragon??
Thats the consequences..

Even when Japan, a world military power in WWII invaded with full technological superiority of WWII , only managed to swallow half..

SMAPLionHeart SG

Even the poorest there are richer when compared to the people in 3rd world countries

They call $20 SGD dollars for a full meal cheap..
Shocked Shocked Shocked

SMAPLionHeart SG

Anyway, i "admire" the Japanese who invaded China ,
Part of their current writing system actually was learned by the scholars who went there....no wonder there's a saying "Hao Xin Mei Hao Bao"

LazerLordz SG

You begin to make sense now.. Razz Keep it up man.

oldbreadstinks SG

i dun't know about uncalled for , but it is real, a lot of people are protesting against the japanese whether its the war or the textbook stuff
but are you sure all of those people want to protest because they hate japan or that they're protesting against the new textbook??

if i were to throw the whole lot of you into the middle of them, chance are we'll get quite a few shouting and screaming along with the rest of them even if you don't hate the japanese, because your emotions would allow you to get carried away

anyone still remember a few weeks back when an embassy was burned?
it only takes a small stone to start an avalanche.

CosmoKing SG

I think most of those demonstrations you see, have nothing to do with the past but the present and future. These demonstrations are unlike those staged by victims to demand compensations.

these anti-Jap demonstrations on TV only reaffirms China's position as the next super power to the world...the fact that its ordinary citizens are becoming nationalistic and assertive means that besides being aware that they will be the biggest market and rising economy soon, they could even one day be more powerful than the US (look at its deficits). then, they will have a greater say on theworld stage. its like a triad society meeting. Say, if the boss wants to invade a country now claiming they have WMD. Other smaller countries will bow and follow suit like lackeys even if they are strongly against it and no other external organizations can interfere...etc. If China becomes the taipan one day and says no to invasion, other countries will more likely go to her side and treat the less powerful country like pariah. That's why, the government is not using any strong arms tactics to quell the crowds. It's good PR display and especially if the chinese reject japanese goods (country of origin), they either turn to SKorea and set up Joint ventures to reverse engineer that vcd or state of the art cameras and be more self reliant. IF it was an internal demonstration like the Tiananmen, maybe different gloves will be used? When China becomes the dragon lord one day, teens will no longer go for J-pop/Kpop or americano culture but Shang-dong or Sze Chuan -pop music with their malan noodles and chinese tea. Many will try to emulate the Chinese's every dressings, behaviour, business ethics like the latest trends. Powderful huh?

dragg SG

i know it of course. my posting is a reply to blueray's posting. read his posting first and then my reply to better understand my point.

sgdiehard SG

I don't know where you get it that it is "real" that "a lot of people are protesting against the japanese whether its the war or the textbook stuff"', but I am sure that the protestors are protesting against the japanese new text books which justified the atocities committed during the WW2 against the people of China.

Again it is your assumption that everybody will get carried away by emotions. The scale of the protests in China is nothing, compared to the 500,000 protestors in HK and Taiwan, and compared to the size of the population in China. When emotion truely runs wild in china as in the 70s then normal life would be disrupted but in many countries like Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, just to name a few, and even in indonesia, people can protest to voice their frustration but life goes on. Singaporeans are conditioned to shut up and leave things to the government. any small gathering is likely to bring down the whole economy. Singaporean will never have the freedom to protest and will never appreciate, but lets not ridicule what we don't have.

What is down right derogatory is your assumption that "when they're angry they just want to kill jap men ,rape jap women, dig up their graves, loot their money, all because everyone else around them is also angry". What gives you that kind of idea??

Japan's war with China lasted over 8 years and millions killed. Japan's occupied Korea for 35 years and millions perished. The impact of the wars on the people of these two countries are far greater than the 2 and a half years occupation of singapore with only slightly more than 50,000 killed. What Japan has consistantly done were to justify their actions in WW2. Respecting the ww2 war criminals as war heros, changing history in text book....... Imagine Germany putting up a figure of Hitler for remembrance in Berlin and teaching their children that ww2 was an attempt to unite europe to become the EU today to resist the influence of America......what do you think the europeans will do? if their emotions do not run wild, they are not european.

don't go on China bashing just because of a few jobs in singapore were taken away by the chinese nationals. That is the government's policy, don't like it can protest or not???

Gun SG

Originally posted by ShutterBug:
[quote]Japan, I solute them because almost everything we use, is a Japanese product we can't do without.

Check the label at back of your keyboard or mouse.
Where izzit made from ?

Think, think, think, China. THINK HARD!!!! Stop using your mouths so much. Use your collective brains!

China has man in space. What happened to Japan ?

Gun SG

Any CNN or BBC report Japanese being physically assaulted during recent demo in China ?

Chinese generately are very strained ppl. Even provoked seldom do you see them commiting grotesque violence on fellow human being.

Japanese history, in contrast, is tainted with actions of genocides, beheading practices, chemical warfare on civilians, mass slaughter, human experientation, baby-killings, forced slavary of women and POWs.....

The list goes on and on...

These Japanese perpetrators where sentenced to death.

Now their remains rest in a Japanese Shrine which current Japanese politicians pay yearly homage to.

Now, Japanese textbooks are righting the wrongs & clearing the uncleaned from their next generation . Why ?

Yeah, the Chinese and Koreans shouldn't be angry, ignore the past and get on with life.

How sweet.

vito_corleone SG

instead of futile protests, china should be like meiji japan. use all its resources and efforts to modernise and strengthen itself and then come and whack japan’s arse.

oldbreadstinks SG

Shang-dong or Sze Chuan -pop?

firstly , i did not assume that EVERYONE would be carried away, i only said most,
as for the freedom to protest , i honestly do not believe i need that currently
if something is really drastic enough to make me protest , the law or anything
else would not beable to stop me from doing so, and what makes you think the chinese have the freedom to protest anyway judging from what some here are saying ?

because when people are angry, they can't think , and when they can't think they vent their angry

ok thats something i don't know

not sure why you feel that i'm bashing china , but i assure you i'm not doing so and least of all because "of a few jobs in singapore were taken away by the chinese nationals. "

china actually, my key board's pretty solid , having lasted me for a few years already, my optical mouse is kinda screwy , it doesn't allow me to play games like cs with it cos the arrows jump all over the place whenever i play cs

ShutterBug SG

Made in China, just means their labor is cheap.

It's still Microsoft, and Sony, is still Sony - regardless WHERE it was made in.

going to the moon, is old trick.

At least, Japan wasn't responsible for the loss and deaths brought on by SARS which China covered up for the value of face.

What face??? DO they have it now???

Gun SG

Originally posted by vito_corleone:
instead of futile protests

Futile ? Hardly.
It made both CHN and JPN gov to seat up and pay attention on how influencial the ghosts of the past still haunts dynamics of present day geo-politics.
That is the nature of human history and civilisation.
Never should one down play nor ignore history.. be it in textbooks or personnel awareness.

china should be like meiji japan. use all its resources and efforts to modernise and strengthen itself

According UN latest estimates ==>
250 million rural population Chinese were living in povery in 1978.
80 million in 1992.
42.1 million in 1998.

If poverty is a measure of a country's modernisation and growth, then I think "using all resource" is an under~statement in China's case:

and then come and whack japan's arse.

You mean taking avenge on Japan's ugly past ?
I doubt so. If both are constantly at loggerheads, there will be no winner.
History has shown that already.

Blueray SG

No Japanese people died in the protests. No one was raped. Since u oppose the protests, can u suggest a better way to let Japan's leaders know that whitewashing and glorifying of their past altrocities is wrong?

Looking at the Korean, Chinese protests against the japs begets one question. Why are they disliked by all their closest neighbours?

Gun SG

Originally posted by ShutterBug:
Made in China, just means their labor is cheap.
It's still Microsoft, and Sony, is still Sony - regardless WHERE it was made in.

How about your keyboard and mouse ? Made in China ?
Why you buy them. Coz its cheap ?
Bingo ! Welcome to globalisation. Your purchases has just contributed to the growth of China's GDP.

going to the moon, is old trick.

Sorry pal, did i mentioned going to the moon ? Question

At least, Japan wasn't responsible for the loss and deaths brought on by
SARS which China covered up for the value of face.

Good try.
But that's another story on health concern. Not abt politics nor history.

What face??? DO they have it now???

Care to elaborate ?

oldbreadstinks SG

covering up was expected and i don't blame china for that since they're not the only ones who were doing the covering up and denial stuff
but i didn't like the fact that they exclude taiwan from the WHO for political reasons

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