Causeway was built to boost S'pore at Johor's expense

sgdiehard SG

This thread is about Adul Ghanis allegation that Causeway was built to boost S'pore at Johor's expense. True or not? Does Singapore have the obligation to replace the causeway with a bridge, wasting Singapore taxpayers millions or billion and inconveniencing thousands of commuters everyday, to boost Johor economy. In consideration, should we build the bridge to allow up to 8000 TEU vessels to go under, thereby helping PTP, at the expense of PSA?? PSA have to cut costs to compete, with or without the bridge. What the %%$##@ has the bridge got to do with HDB or Town Council costs of running HDB estates?? Lets not allow politician to steal the fish from the muddy water.

Guess what Adul will say next? The air traffic control right was given to Singapore at the expense of KL so from now on KL will resume control; Changi Airport was built at the expense of Senai Airport, so Changi Airport should close???

LazerLordz SG

I think Abdul Ghani should take a step back and solve the problems rampant in Johor state before coming to talk about something which is at the Federal level.

sbst275 SG

Em... Big boats (Abv 3000 TEU) cannot cross the Tuas Bridge... So, building the Causeway is redundant... If they want to sy to allow boats to pass through...

sbst275 SG

Ya... He should improve the lives of Johorians... Esp the chinese felt that they are neglected

LittleTiger SG

PTP wons the service from Maersk not 100% because of the lower pricing and better service. Initially also thought so PTP are good.

Maersk bought some 30% of PTP that why they stop at that port. Reason..... in this case every ship they stop there saves 30%.

If the bridge is not mean for big big ship what is the purpose to build it? Why waste so much $$$ for some small boat to crossover? And i guess that will be only a ship passing at the bridge at a time.
I have driven from Taman Perling to the opposite of Tuas and it took 20 minutes of distance. And i also stuck before on the 2nd bridge for 1 hours after paying 4 times the cost of causeway. Another 20 minutes are need to travel from JB donwtown to Taman Perling. Is it worth? spend so many times, so many petrol and still stuck in the Jam(only 2 lane each side with few custom booth).

PTP is belong to a Arab merchant who got lots of project from m'sia government.
Is it justtificable to make him richer with the cost of both spore and malaysian government $$$ and also burden the citizen?
He susgested the idea, so i think PTP shall pay and bear the cost right?

The fees shall be same at RM2.4 and S$1.2 with the excess paid by that PTP for each motorist travel in and out. I would assume the new cost will be some 4 to 5 times higher as the second link which was build years back is already so expensive and almost 3x the toll charges.

What about pollution, oil spill?

Are any of the CENTRAL and FEDERAL ppl think of that? Economics are already not doing good yet they wanna burden the ppl. Do they think of their poor Johorean where hundred of thousand of ppl travel in and out everyday. The causeway is the median to their rice bowl. And thousand of sporean who were dispatch to work in Johor for those factory and offices?

It will be great if any of the both side minister travel at those working hours like 5am to 9am and 5pm to 8pm. Let them stuck in the traffics of motorcycles, busses, walking ppl, lorries, cars and also custom. The amount of traffics is tremendious and dismantling the cause is fatal. Let them know the ppl hardship.

There was a time where was a suggestion to build a open up type bridge. What will the jams be like if bridge was open-up for the ship to went pass?
From JB custom to Pelangi? or from Spore custom to few klilometres(over Kranji racecourse) of BKE.

Qitai SG

My observation - immigration booth is available - no people in there. Both Singapore and Malaysia is guilty of this. Both Tuas and Causeway have same problem. The booth is there, just that it is not open. I was stuck at the causeway for 3 hours last week and was stuck in Tuas for 1.5 hours the week before.

Police check- Some police are damn lazy, requesting each and every car to move to him before he checks. Others, who are more diligent, move up to 4-5 cars to check. This way, each round of checking will be faster. They need to improve the attitude of the lazy police to get them to use their leg. Lazy bums.

If they do the above two, the jam problem should be much improved. Being a regular visitor of Malaysia (not JB), my conclusion is the jam is not cause by the size of the lane, but the above two problems. In particular, only 4 booths are open the week before at Tuas when it has like more than 20 booths available, causing needless jams.

sbst275 SG

In the end, it is a pile of nothing till to date... This year's volume is below expectation

And why build the bridge when only feeder boats can pass through

PatrickLTH SG

Why replace the Causeway with a Bridge

The underlying issue is that if there is no redevelopment to the Causeway, the consortium cannot demand revised charges.

Just compare the charges imposed on the 2nd Link and the old faithful Causeway.

The consortium can demand 10 times more for the charges to all users once the Causeway is replaced by a bridge (S or straight). So the consortium will petition M government to force this issue under all kind of disguises.

Hope that S government do enough calculation and get enough return for a win win settlement.

PatrickLTH SG

Very Happy

Why jam at causeway and 2nd Link

It is a matter of tit for tag.

For the levy imposed on all the users of the 2nd link imposed by the Malaysian (government or consortium), the Singapore will peg the same.

For every inconvenience imposed by the Malaysian Custom, the Singapore will reciprocate the same.

If the Malaysian Custom open 3 booths out of the 20+, Singapore will do the same.

Why make it convenience for Malaysian to spend their hard earn ringgit in singapore, causing M government to lose millions in various form of taxes.

We reciprocate and why make it convenience for Singaporean to spend their hard earn S$ in Malaysia, causing S government to lose millions in consumption tax, petrol tax, lost of earning by businessmen, etc.

Hence the jam.

Very Happy

SBS3624G SG

Originally posted by PatrickLTH:

[b]Why jam at causeway and 2nd Link

It is a matter of tit for tag.

For the levy imposed on all the users of the 2nd link imposed by the Malaysian (government or consortium), the Singapore will peg the same.

For every inconvenience imposed by the Malaysian Custom, the Singapore will reciprocate the same.

If the Malaysian Custom open 3 booths out of the 20+, Singapore will do the same.

Why make it convenience for Malaysian to spend their hard earn ringgit in singapore, causing M government to lose millions in various form of taxes.

We reciprocate and why make it convenience for Singaporean to spend their hard earn S$ in Malaysia, causing S government to lose millions in consumption tax, petrol tax, lost of earning by businessmen, etc.

Hence the jam.

Very Happy

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So the jam benefits both countries? What about the perishable fruits that pass through? If they rot, both sides stand to lose. And most are unfazed by the jam. Rolling Eyes

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