Sound Barriers for Highways and MRT

last SG · 2004-09-28T19:40:47+00:00

So are the costs of MRT tracks and Roads.

Chia Ti Lik SG

PAP..er..tiger

List out the post where i said that please?

Chia Ti Lik SG

Qitai

see which topic did i start.

Dun let this be a case of the blind following the blind...

Chia Ti Lik SG

Specify where does it show that i just go against the ruling party.
i have yet to make my point and you are reading so much into it.
my my my.... Very Happy

contact_thatslife SG

they already dun wan to spend extra $ on safety barriers liao, u think they wan to spend extra on sound barriers mei? But anyway all e new MRT lines r built underground, NEL n circle line. ...less noise oso, its only those living at exisiting above ground stations that faced tis sound problem.

Chia Ti Lik SG

Just to highlight the inaccuracies in your statement

1) Which topic did i start? Laughing
2) Did i say i dont want to research Surprised
3) Did i say its wrong?
4) People doing the work become very busy one. Did i say anyting to the contrary?
5) Who did i sabo?
6) How did i sabo?

Chia Ti Lik SG

CenturionMBT

Cheers to you for coming out with the research.

However, your first remark was made at 1:10 am and reply was at 10:03pm
It supposedly took 5 mins. yet a span of almost 21 hours passed between posts.
You did the research, you get the credit - i wont deny that.
But i will let the figures speak for themselves too.

Sagara SG

why waste money ? those who want to live near MRT also must take the noise into consideration. they can choose to live further if they think they cant stand the noise.

whats next if u build sound barriers for highways and MRT tracks ?

Indoor stadiums in neighbourhoods for those '7th-lunar-month ge tai' ?

paperchicken SG

let your previous postings speak for themselves too. Rolling Eyes

papertiger SG

under the current govt we pay and pay if these jokers come into power we have to pay until we die. Laughing

papertiger SG

So what even if he took a day to research ? the point is he put in the effort to do research before posting unlike some ppl who just shoot off their mouth. Laughing

papertiger SG

are you so stupid that you cant tell ? Laughing

Qitai SG

Not you, refering to Mr. Goh.

Qitai SG

You must follow the conversation between me and papertiger lah. Anyway, look post above, talking about Mr. Goh Meng Seng lah.

goh meng seng SG

That's utterly rubbish to me. Wink

Even your quotes from the sources, it proves NOTHING! Wink

The experiments and assertions are made as individual studies, not comparative studies. Obviously you are misleading readers here.

For example, if the studies for the trees are such that the noise level are raised up to 45db and then they say it reduces 15db. But the studies for the noise barriers are 20db but it reduces 10db. Which one is more effective?

Comparative studies must be done accordingly. Besides, there are many designs of artificial noise barriers. Your comparison is not exhaustive at all. Wink

On the other hand, the website that you are quotation is basically a green movement website, trying the justify the merits of having more trees and trying to make out the "additional" benefits of having trees.

I quote:

"A well-placed stand of trees can reduce noise by up to 15 decibels, approximately that provided by a typical sound barrier."

This assertion is made without providing the scientific details of how such level of reduction could be achieved. "A well-placed stand of trees"? What does that mean?

If you really want to know how effective artificial sound barriers are, please refer to the following guide. It has a table that provides the types of material used, with certain thickness and the effectiveness of the barriers.

http://www.epd.gov.hk/epd/english/environmentinhk/noise/guide_ref/design_barriers_content2.html

I quote:

"In terms of noise reduction, the maximum value that can be achieved theoretically is 20 dB(A) for thin screens (walls) and 23 dB(A) for berms. A material that has a TL of 33 dB(A) or greater would therefore always be adequate for a noise barrier in any situation."

You have to face it, your attempt of providing misleading information to justify your case is really silly. And to use it to conclude that opposition is opposing for the sake of opposing, is even more silly. Wink

Goh Meng Seng

runningismylife SG

let's put it this way guys, whatever the government does, the so called "thinking for the people" Opposition will pounce on them like a b.itch on heat.

when the government suggested building a barrier to prevent more suicide, the opposition rose up in arms, claiming that the government wasn't thinking of the people by building such extravagant barriers.

now, mr Goh Meng Seng whom claims to be from the WP, has came up with this wonderful idea to build sound barriers around the MRTs station. i'm very sure this is feasible. there are more than 40 stations in Singapore, and more than half are above ground, so if we were to install sound barriers around them, i'm sure the costs are definately more than mere.

if you were really thinking for us, mr Opposition i'm sure you would realise that the noise level of the MRTs are already kept to a minimum. after all, friction will create noise no matter how sophisticated you go. even bullet trains causes sound effects to be generated. this is by the friction between the train and the air.

if you are really for the people Mr Goh Meng Seng, you would not try to hide an hidden agenda in the first post you made.

I think this is partly due to the style of governance. PAP government is simply not a human orientated government, but it governs by digits and statistics. A world class city should have world class human orientated governance.

We just need more human touch in our dealings with our people.

this is simply a very cheap attempt at disguising your main purpose. this is also a very cheap attempt to discredit the government. the MRT has helped normal singaporeans more than wad LTK or CST has ever done in their life time. so don't make the noises from the MRT sounds as though it's a sin.

i believe the opposition should do more than just complain and make stupid remarks defaming the government. instead they should just sit back and look around, and see if all this is possible if the opposition is in power. they can't even agree on a similar agenda between themselves, how are we to have SOUND economic policies?

cheap.

paperchicken SG

To runningismylife :

relax lah. Uncle Goh is just bringing up a topic for discussing. I think there's no need to get personal. It always good to bring up new ideas for discussion and think out of the box. Some ideas may not be feasible but by throwing a bad idea around we may be able to modify it and come up with something better or other new ideas. Rolling Eyes

goh meng seng SG

That is not true at all.

We understand, as a govt, it cannot possibly please everybody. What we are examining, is whether its decisions are sound or not.

From my point of view, black cat, white cat, whichever catch the rat is good cat. I don't really insist MRT must put up barriers; but, we must value the time delayed caused by such suicides. There is opportunity cost to the hour delay due to such things. The only "economic" thing to do, is to put a price on it. Fine MRT for the delays.

If MRT thinks that it is still "economical" not to put up the barriers, then be it. They take that risks. If someone jump the tracks and cause delays, then MRT pays the fine. Simple as that. This is their commercial decision under such pricing mechanism.

I only suggest to build sound barriers for MRT tracks and highways NEAR or next to residential areas; not the whole MRT tracks or whole highways. Please take note. If other countries and places could do it, why we can't?

These are design flaws. They didn't think of it when they build such things. The new tracks and stations built here in Hong Kong have physical barriers and sound barriers. People could think of it in advance, why couldn't our "million dollar" ministers? Wink

If the govt didn't do a good job, just admit it. Make remedies to them. No problem at all. Nobody is perfect, no one should expect any govt to be perfect at all. But it is our job to keep the govt in checks, providing the alternative views. Singaporeans are a good tolerant people; but don't mistake tolerance as something else. They might just be suffering in silence. There are already "silent sufferers" leaving this country in hordes; a true exodus.

If you see my suggestions here as something to "discredit" the govt, please lah, that's pretty lame excuse to cover the inadequacies of the govt! If the govt doesn't see any problem at all, they will not solve any problems. Simple as that. But that doesn't really mean there isn't really any problem. The Emperor's clothing, heard of it? Wink

You keep saying MRT noise kept to a "minimum"...what "minimum"? My shop is just opposite the MRT track and I hear screeching sound everyday! Wink If that is what you meant by "minimum", then sorry, that's unacceptable. People are just suffering in silence, that's all. Wink

Goh Meng Seng

Chia Ti Lik SG

Well PAP er Tiger Smile

is calling me stupid your best shot at me? Shocked
your answer is not clear so you can't blame me.
The rest have kept silent so that is why i asked you.
It is sad that you are resorting to personal attacks when questioned for sake of clarity. Are you saying that i cannot question you?

Try harder Very Happy

paperchicken SG

Rolling Eyes

Qitai SG

How come every time I ask question no body answer one? Rolling Eyes

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