can't stand singaporeans who think they are ang mor

last SG · 2004-07-27T18:51:24+00:00

i don't mean you ..i mean cunnibal, was still editing my post Yes...they usually don't know that we're Asians until we tell them although a few of them are...

Xprobe SG

We look down on others. Then some others look down on us. Furthermore, we sometimes look down on our own.

Have culture will travel

cunnibal SG

there are of course good and bad things in every culture, i may be making a seemingly negative comment on part of it, but still I'll have to say, it's my culture, whether i like it or not, I'm just not comfortable with peepur who totally refuse to acknowledge their own culture and start bootlicking/aping other peepur's culture. While these peepur think they are special and totally got class, I think they are a bunch of rootless vagabonds lost without direction.

BBQpork SG

Chinese is in fact a general name for a group of languages: Standard Chinese or Mandarin (Putonghua, based on the Beijing dialect), Yue (Cantonese), Wu (Shanghaiese), Minbei (Fuzhou), Minnan (Hokkien-Taiwanese), Xiang, Gan, Hakka dialects, minority languages (Zhuang, Uygur, Hui, Yi, Tibetan, Miao, Manchu, Mongol, Buyi, Korean, and other nationalities)

Bloop... SG

Diff people have diff reasons for not speaking Mandarin. I have a colleague who speaks English fluently and can't speak one word of Mandarin. When he tries, he sounds like some angmo trying to speak Mandarin. His father is Chinese, but was an orphan brought up in an English educated family (his mother is Portuguese).

His whole family speaks English at home. This guy doesn't even have a Chinese name (for some legit reasons), but ask him what race he is, he will proudly say Chinese (even though you can see he is not pure Chinese). He is just not good with languages. He took Malay as a second language cause he just couldn't cope with Mandarin in school.

On top of all this he has been living abroad (US, Canada and Australia) since he was 16, just came back to Singapore 4 years ago. His g'frens also all caucasians and he always tells them that he is Chinese (I've seen him get offended when one of his g'frens told him he doesn't behave very typically Chinese).

Laughing Every day at breakfast we get to see him arguing with this Hong Kong Chinese who seems to think deep down inside that the Chinese aren't as good as the Caucasians. (Must be cause Hong Kong was a colony till '97... HK Chinese have been brainwashed too long already).

So how? Look down on this friend of mine also? Going to judge people just because they can't speak Chinese? Rolling Eyes

LazerLordz SG

Its very narrow-minded to judge the value of a person on the quality of his language, especially the language he was supposed to be born with.IF he is a capable, reliable and gets things done, I see nothing wrong with that at all.Perhaps those who are condemning it, are a tad more rigid and old-school in their thinking.Cultural purity?Sounds dangerous.

Qitai SG

Help you a bit here.

Angmor = western white people. Direct translation from Hokkien meaning "red hair" or "red devil"

Noe = Know

Peepur = People

Oso = Also

Qitai SG

Just be yourself lah. No need to emphasis anything. People look at your skin color, make some assumption. No matter what you emphasis will not affect their opinion one. After a period of contact, they will know you as you, rather than just some people of a certain type of skin or background.

If people ask me about my history, just tell them the truth loh. Grandparent from China, Fujian or Chao Zhou coming to Singapore at the age of 5 or 15 etc etc.. loh. Then explain that was grandfather or great grandparent, but Singapore now is very different from China etc tec loh.... no big deal. Often then not, the people from the other country will find this very interesting and ask more. You will soon realise how little many people know about Singapore anyway.

Anyway, history is a very interesting topic. Read quite a bit in recent years. The America History, European History and Chinese History are all rich and full of great stories. If free, why not go read some. It is a shame that the Singapore government find no value in teaching this subject broadly, since there is no economic value. But I think knowing the history of the world makes one appreciate so much more the current situation in the world and Singapore. If one is born in a random era and place, there is a good chance you will have to worry even about survival.

cunnibal SG

em, if u talking to me, please do not only look but READ my previous threads, I'm gonna put it down for the last time in black n white: I look down on peepur who are ashame of their own heritage, their own culture and refuse to acknowledge their roots. period.

Many of these peepur does that by pretending that they are very poor in their mother tongue, so I look at the reason why a person do not speak their mother tongue, I do not just look at the surface and say, " yah, u dun speak ur mother tongue, i'm gonna look down on u, fullstop".

There are 101 reasons why one do not converse in their mother tongue, so in ur friend's case, i dun see why should anyone look down on him? He is much better then any of those who refuse to acknowledge their heritage becos they are ashame of it.

cunnibal SG

hmm, i didn't started out talking about cultural purity, my bottom line is, acknowledge ye culture and be proud of thy heritage. hey, why r u talking about cultural purity? that's out of the topic!! Neutral

sgdiehard SG

don't judge the tree by how much fruits it bears, some trees don't bear fruits!!
There are british, chinese, japanese, korean, indians, malays..... who are capable, reliable and gets things done!!! The question is, why are they called chinese, japanese..... . or is it the skin colour? then what makes the difference between malay, japanese......?

Language is taught after you were born, you were not born to speak a certain language!

How do you judge a person? it depends on why are you judging him! I will not judge my brother based on his capability, reliability and if he gets things done!! He is my brother because we were born of the same parents, even though he may be good for nothing. See the difference?? Are you a Chinese, malays....? not based on yr capability.

In the thread, we condemn those are not angmoh but think and act like angmoh. Nothing to do with his capability.

Cultural purity? no, is there a culture and what is your culture? ask yrself.

Rigid and old school? no, the british and her queen do not rule anymore. The american may still want continue the old strategy, i.e. dominate the world with english. No, it is a new world.

Dangerous? why is it more dangerous for the chinese to speak chinese then it is for the english to speak english? do we all have to speak only english to be a unified world?

King Utter SG

Beatens doesn't need Sporean.

sgdiehard SG

In reality, billions of people in this world do not speak chinese! can't look down on them for this reason. We do not look down on ABC because they were born into an environment where they have no chance to learn their mother tongue. I pity them for their parents have not passed down to them their heritage and culture, including language. Compared to the ABC, I applaud the peranakan parents for they speak hokkien even after generations.

But we are talking about people who first look down on their own culture and think everything angmoh is good. People who do not want to learn their own culture and language because they think english is better and is enough. Unfortunately we find many of such people among the Chinese in singapore. You don't find malay who don't speak malay or indian who don't speak tamil or hindi, do you?

cunnibal SG

good to noe dat someone shares the same view as me, I salute u!

btw, I heard from my melayu friend that the malay curriculum they learn in singapore is as crappy as our chinese curriculum. There isn't so much hoo har in the malay society becos even though they are not as good in their langauge as malaysians, they do not condemn their own culture.

Chinese is too much of an opportunist - so much so that some went to the extend as to disown their own heritage just to stay ahead.

YaoRockets SG

So the question is, how do we describe ourselves given that we are in appearance, yellow skin and black hair?

1. Asianized Chinese?
2. Chinese descendents of a long ago diaspora generation.

what do you mean by Asianized chinese? it doesn't make sense. chinese are asians, the biggest one actually. chinese defines asians.

this is my impression of singaporean:

1. "Ang mor" wanna be.
2. self-prescribed westerners in Asia and asians in the west.

sgdiehard SG

Very Happy well said, but fortunately not all singaporean are like that.

j28w32 SG

Originally posted by YaoRockets:

what do you mean by [b]Asianized chinese? it doesn't make sense. chinese are asians, the biggest one actually. chinese defines asians.

this is my impression of singaporean:

1. "Ang mor" wanna be.
2. self-prescribed westerners in Asia and asians in the west. [/b]

mind telling me what is the meaning of Ang mor??? thanks..

j28w32 SG

thank you very much.

dumbdumb! SG

haha. i am working in CAAS changi airport. the Air Transport department alot of people with the ang mo slang. dunno leh. i think the girls slang damn sexy Mr. Green

SumOne SG

Just to comment and point out, just as how you all are quarreling with each other here, the Americans and British have been quarreling with ech other for many years whose english is the right kind of english.

Can tell you one thing, we Singaporeans grew up learning what is supposed to be British English, but I have more trouble understanding a Brit than an American.

SumOne SG

Some may find it sad, but quite honestly, I do not really feel a sense of attachment to my roots in China. And I believe I'm not alone. It's not that I despise being Chinese or whatever, it's just that I don't see Singapore as an extension to the most populated country in the world.

Wherever our ancestors came from, we are now our own nation. Japan itself started out as a bunch of manchurians who left china for another island. But has now become a completely diff nation and country, with seemingly no links to China.

And if you think of the black people in America or Europe. People like Michael Jordan or soccer players like Edgar Davids, Andy Cole. Their ancestry started out in Africa. But do they feel any sense on ancestry towards the countries their forefathers came from?

To me, being chinese is but a race. It doesn't automatically create a bond between me and china. I am Singaporean, that's all I know. And unless China takes over Singapore, China is not my country.

If you ask me there is no correct form of chinese and there is no correct form of english. The very people who think are the masters of their own mother tongue quarrel among themselves.

People from different provinces in China argue with each other whose pronounciation is correct and whose isn't. Already said, the American's and British can't agree on inches and metres. Even Americans make fun of themselves how you get different slang from different states.

Language is dependant on where you are. Just like culture is affected by the surroundings you are in, not the surroundings your forefathers came from.

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